pepsi71ocean 2 Posted July 9, 2011 So i picked up one of those SKS's from AIM, this one here http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3YugoSKS&name=Yugoslavian+SKS+7.62x39+Rifle&groupid=254 I received it today, and it doesn't appear to be detachable, am i completely legal? The guy at the shop said that if it is not legal then the staties will be around to pick it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted July 9, 2011 http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/24378-is-insert-any-semi-automatic-rifle-legal-in-nj/ NJ has a listing of guns they specifically prohibit under NJ law, they additionally have laws regarding guns they consider substantially identical. The following is a generally accepted criteria by which a semi automatic rifle is legal or illegal in NJ.. 1) Is the gun that you want to buy banned by name? yes - it is illegal and you may not have.. no - proceed to question 2 Algimec AGM1 typeAny shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12" Armalite AR-180 type Australian Automatic Arms SAR Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms Bushmaster Assault Rifle Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900 CETME G3 Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types Demro TAC-1 carbine type Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types FAMAS MAS223 types FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns G3SA type Galil type Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1 Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms M1 carbine type M14S type MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9 mm carbine type firearms PJK M-68 carbine type Plainfield Machine Company Carbine Ruger K-Mini-14/5 F and Mini-14/5 RF SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types SKS with detachable magazine type Spectre Auto carbine type Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun Uzi type semi-automatic firearms Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms Weaver Arm Nighthawk; 2) Is the gun substantially identical as defined by law? yes - it is illegal and you may not have no - gun is legal and you may have.. 2. Any firearm manufactured under any designation, which is substantially identical to any of the firearms listed in paragraph 1 above. As used in this definition, the term "substantial" means pertaining to the substance, matter, material or essence of a thing and the term "identical" means exactly the same. Hence, a firearm is substantially identical to another only if it is identical in all material, essential respects. A firearm is not substantially identical to a listed assault firearm unless it is identical except for differences that do not alter the essential nature of the firearm. The following are examples of manufacturer changes that do not alter the essential nature of the firearm: the name or designation of the firearm; the color of the firearm; the material used to make the barrel or stock of the firearm; the material used to make a pistol grip; and a modification of a pistol grip. This is not an exclusive list. A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a named assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria: i. A semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following: (1) A folding or telescoping stock; (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (3) A bayonet mount; (4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and (5) A grenade launcher; gun may not have magazine capacity exceeding 15 rounds... gun must meet minimum requirements for length... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pepsi71ocean 2 Posted July 9, 2011 From what i can tell the magazine can't be removed, and thus be fixed it would be legal, but im not 100% sure, so i was wondering if other people have bought them could give me some ideas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XDJohnTact 49 Posted July 9, 2011 That is the "not removable" magazine model of SKS and is legal in NJ. There are ones with removable magazines that are not PRNJ legal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted July 9, 2011 You are good as is. Just don't take off the hinged mag from the bottom and put on one of those hinged detachable mags they sell for SKS'. THAT would be illegal. Current form is good. I don't know how they let us get away with that scary bayonet on the SKS. It could start a wave of drive by bayonettings in Camden and Newark. Ban 'em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted July 9, 2011 From what i can tell the magazine can't be removed, and thus be fixed it would be legal, but im not 100% sure, so i was wondering if other people have bought them could give me some ideas. if it is not EXACTLY listed.. and it is not substantially identical as defined by law.. then it is legal.. you SHOULD be able to apply that logic to ANY NJ firearms issue (for future reference) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alec.mc 180 Posted July 9, 2011 So i picked up one of those SKS's from AIM, this one here http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3YugoSKS&name=Yugoslavian+SKS+7.62x39+Rifle&groupid=254 I received it today, and it doesn't appear to be detachable, am i completely legal? The guy at the shop said that if it is not legal then the staties will be around to pick it up. I was looking to pick one of these up as well, what sort of shape are they in? can you post some pictures. -Alec Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted July 9, 2011 yes it is legal, i have a romanian and one chinese all matching #s... those yugos they have are very nice.. thats a good buy with new barrells make sure you clean it good after firing yugos do not have a chromed barrel...although being from the seventies i would check to see if it is chromed they may have had the capabilities by then but not sure.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted July 9, 2011 Almost as a rule, Yugo guns don't have chromed barrels. Apparently Yugoslavia did not have the mineral resources of the other Soviet Bloc countries that manufactured guns. The only down side to Yugo SKS is that mammoth grenade launcher on the end. It makes the gun longer and heavier than it needs to be. On the plus side, the Yugo SKS is solid as hell and overbuilt. It really all depends on what you want. I prefer Chinese and Russian. I don't have experience with SKS from any other country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted July 9, 2011 lunker i looked at the aim advertisement and do not see the grenade launcher.. they seem to be a nice piece.. I do see what looks like the selector on the gas block.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted July 9, 2011 The Yugos have funny looking barrel tips. This one does look different than other Yugos i've seen, but still not like the usual SKS barrel. If you go to the Wikipedia entry for SKS you will see they are a bit longer than others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted July 10, 2011 these are nice, but look at tad expensive. You can pick these up for about $300 to 320 at most pa gun shows. Only caveat is unless prices go up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pepsi71ocean 2 Posted July 10, 2011 I was looking to pick one of these up as well, what sort of shape are they in? can you post some pictures. -Alec Mine looks just like the pictured one, the barrel was bright and clean, and the whole rifle got a bath of cosmo. I will post up pictures in a day or so. I decided since this rifle is so clean and (for all i know looks like it was made last year) that i won't be firing any corrosive surplus through it. I leave corrosive for my collection of bolt guns, well just my Yugo M-48 that is, i don't touch the GI 98K, but i also shoot NC through that and the other German i have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matty 810 Posted July 10, 2011 The pictured one in the ad is an M59/66, may be an A1. The Grenade launcher has been removed, note the collar is still there and the gas shutoff valve. I have a Yugo with GL,, I may remove it one day, but have got used to it. As Chris says, the Yugos are built quite heavily, they will probably outlast most of us on this forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites