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#1 deadeye74

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  • LocationCamden County, NJ
  • Home Range:SJSC

Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:00 PM

Does anyone here have a bolt action .223? Thinking of adding one to the collection.

Got an open invitation to plink ground hogs for a farmer. Would love to pick up a 204 Ruger to do the job, but not looking to spend a lot of $$$ at the moment. Game laws specify using any rifle round under 100 grains is ok for hunting woodchuck, which is the reason behind my thinking.

#2 lunker

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  • LocationThe woods in New Hampshire
  • Home Range:Major Waldron Sportsmen

Posted 19 July 2012 - 06:07 AM

Take a look at the H&R/New England Firearm models. They are single shot, break open models. Accurate and reliable for a little over $200. I had their 20 gauge single shot and I was pleasantly surprised with it.

http://www.hr1871.co...fles/hunter.asp

Oh, and get the 204 Ruger model. It smokes 223, and is the most fun you can have with a rifle (i.e. shitt just explodes when you hit it with a 4000fps polymer tip bullet).
If you do go with 223, stick with lightweight ammo (<55grain). It will stabilize much better in a slower twist varmint rifle barrel. Fiocchi makes a great 40grain zipper in 223.

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#3 Regulator72

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:52 AM

I picked up a Remington 700 in .223, it's great, accurate, and a fun rifle to shoot. I'll be taking out some ground hogs in pa soon..
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#4 Pizza Bob

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  • LocationCentral/West NJ - Mercer County
  • Home Range:EFGA or wherever someone will guest me in

Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:57 AM

Lunker touched upon it - if you buy a .223 bolt gun, make sure of the twist, especially if you are anticipating using ammo you may have stockpiled for an AR. A 1:12 twist rate is good for the 35 gr to 45 gr varmint bullets and is common on HB varmint rifles. The typical 55 gr or 62 gr rounds, common to AR use, fare better with a 1:9 or 1:8 twist. A 1:7 twist would allow the use of the heavy (for .22 caliber) 77 gr match bullets.

If this means adding a caliber to your inventory, and you don't reload, then you may want to consider a .17 HMR rimfire. Great varmint round out to 150 yards and viable to 200 yds - 250 yds, but can be challenging at those kind of ranges - the wind blows those tiny bullets around a bit more than bullets used in a CF .22.

Have fun.

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#5 BillC.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:31 PM

A .223 is one of the best NJ varmint rounds and is plentiful and inexpensive . If your after groundhogs stick with the .22 cal 50-55gr ammo. Better terminal effect ( spectacular blowup) and more stopping power. The heavy stuff just punchs a .22 hole and the hog escapes. A 50 gr V-max or TNT will have no problem out to 300yds, most likely further then you'll ever shoot in NJ. Also don't overlook the .22 Hornet if your shooting in a more restricted area. 22-250 and 222 also work just as well but ammo cost will be higher and a bit harder to find.

What ever your choice realize that the trigger is more important then the action and scope is going to have to be up to the job of seeing small targets. Lots of times the only shot is half of a head sticking out of a hole. I like scopes in the 4-12 or 4-16 range. I have 6-24 power scopes but most times the lack of field of veiw and eye relief are more trouble then they are worth. and oh yea, those heavy barrel varmint rigs get real heavy to tote around on a 90 deg day so you may want to think about a rig with a sporter weight barrel. I know that I almost never shoot my heavy barrel rig anymore.

and your gonna need a good set of binoculars

#6 BullzeyeNJ

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  • LocationPassaic County
  • Home Range:Riverdale Police Pistol Team

Posted 19 July 2012 - 03:28 PM

I have a Rem 700 .223 bolt gun w/ an aftermarket custom barrel by Mike Rock 1:9 twist. Love it. Cheap to feed and easy on my shoulder for long days of shooting.

#7 deadeye74

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  • LocationCamden County, NJ
  • Home Range:SJSC

Posted 19 July 2012 - 03:56 PM

Take a look at the H&R/New England Firearm models. They are single shot, break open models. Accurate and reliable for a little over $200. I had their 20 gauge single shot and I was pleasantly surprised with it.

http://www.hr1871.co...fles/hunter.asp

Oh, and get the 204 Ruger model. It smokes 223, and is the most fun you can have with a rifle (i.e. shitt just explodes when you hit it with a 4000fps polymer tip bullet).
If you do go with 223, stick with lightweight ammo (<55grain). It will stabilize much better in a slower twist varmint rifle barrel. Fiocchi makes a great 40grain zipper in 223.


Never have consideration to the single shot H&R before, but after seeing their price I see 204 Ruger in my not so distant future! :)

#8 Ray Ray

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  • LocationBayonne, Hudson County
  • Home Range:Bayonne Pistol Range

Posted 19 July 2012 - 03:57 PM

Mossberg MVP?

If you own an AR, they use the same magazines.
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#9 deadeye74

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  • LocationCamden County, NJ
  • Home Range:SJSC

Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:00 PM

I thank you all for the information. Lots of good stuff here. Looks like I'm leaning heavy towards the 204 Ruger H&R. Being a left handed shooter, it's a win in my book!

I'm new to reloading so after some initial factory ammo purchases will start turning out rounds on my own.

#10 BigHayden

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 08:21 AM

A .223 is one of the best NJ varmint rounds and is plentiful and inexpensive . If your after groundhogs stick with the .22 cal 50-55gr ammo. Better terminal effect ( spectacular blowup) and more stopping power. The heavy stuff just punchs a .22 hole and the hog escapes. A 50 gr V-max or TNT will have no problem out to 300yds, most likely further then you'll ever shoot in NJ.


Not to thread-jack, but I was under the impression that we can't hunt with a centerfire rifle in NJ. If that's not entirely true, can somebody point me to the law that says we can?
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#11 deadeye74

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  • LocationCamden County, NJ
  • Home Range:SJSC

Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:44 AM

Not to thread-jack, but I was under the impression that we can't hunt with a centerfire rifle in NJ. If that's not entirely true, can somebody point me to the law that says we can?


If you go to the Division of fish and wildlife web page and look up the rules for woodchuck hunting, it states "any center fire rifle with a bullet under 100 grains".

#12 Pizza Bob

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:54 AM

If you go to the Division of fish and wildlife web page and look up the rules for woodchuck hunting, it states "any center fire rifle with a bullet under 100 grains".


Actually, IIRC, it says any CF rifle .25 caliber or less or any centerfire rifle firing a bullet of 100 grs or less.
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#13 MedicYeti

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 11:16 AM

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Nuff said!

#14 deadeye74

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  • Home Range:SJSC

Posted 31 July 2012 - 11:39 AM

Actually, IIRC, it says any CF rifle .25 caliber or less or any centerfire rifle firing a bullet of 100 grs or less.


Thank you Bob! I was paraphrasing.

Once my scope arrives this week I'll be taking my 22-250 out for some ground hog huntin!

#15 BigHayden

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 11:47 AM

Cool. Thanks guys.
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#16 BillC.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:45 PM

Dont forget, "Rifle permit required when hunting with rifle"

#17 T Bill

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:23 PM

Check your dates on your rifle permits............Valid yearly July1, 2012 thru June 30, 2013. Need Current year hunting license also.

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#18 mintbore

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:03 PM

Check out the Mossberg MVP. Tough to find...they fly off the shelves everywhere.
Chambered for 5.56mm so you can safely shoot surplus or commercial .223. Plus it takes AR mags.
BEST .223 bolt action PERIOD~

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#19 dajonga

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  • LocationBayville

Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:40 PM

If they would put iron sights on the MVP, I would buy it NOW. I like the shorter barrel model MVP, but want it to be like the Ruger Gunsite rifle.

#20 mintbore

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  • LocationMorris County NJ
  • Home Range:Cherry Ridge

Posted 06 August 2012 - 04:20 PM

If they would put iron sights on the MVP, I would buy it NOW. I like the shorter barrel model MVP, but want it to be like the Ruger Gunsite rifle.


I don't think this would make a very good Scout Rifle (ala Jeff Cooper). The stock is set up for bench/bipod,

#21 alowerlevel

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  • Location5 Miles East Of Camden

Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:12 PM

I don't think this would make a very good Scout Rifle (ala Jeff Cooper). The stock is set up for bench/bipod,

But the 18.5" barelled one would. Which is the version Im (im)patiently waiting for mossberg to release http://www.galleryof...or)+Bolt+Action
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#22 GRIZ

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:03 AM

I have a NEF single shot that I bought some time ago. It will do 1 1/2 at 100 yds with just about any 55 gr factory load. If I worked up a reload for it I'm sure it would get below 1". The Savage bolt guns are reasonably priced an.d those I've shot very accurate

#23 Blue1

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:48 PM

My AR with a 16" barrel has done as well as 1 1/8" three shot groups @100 yds with factory 55 to 62 grain.

I would think a bolt action .223/5.56 could do better than that. My Savage .308 does under an inch.

And I suck, lol

I would think a .223 bolt action would be one of the more accurate rifles available at shorter (300 yd) ranges.

Blue1

#24 Lalo

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:14 AM

Hmm... I'm liking the MVP Varmint-Scoped model. Anyone see any shops that have these in stock?

#25 Scrap

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:33 PM

I just added a Remington 700 AAC-SD which I love, it is a .308Win with "1:10 Tactical Rifling" and a few other specific features, BUT - for you, the Remington 700 SPS Tactical is available in .223Rem , almost identical ... a 20" Heavy barrel, adjustable trigger, Hogue Overmolded Stock, etc. etc. you would probably not be able to find something better for the buck (Unless you went with Savage, which is my other favorite.).

Savage Precision Carbine (Model 10 LE series PC) is also available in .223 and would be great too IMNHO.
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#26 kman

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  • LocationNorth New Jersey
  • Home Range:Easton Fish and Game, PA

Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:53 PM

Actually, IIRC, it says any CF rifle .25 caliber or less or any centerfire rifle firing a bullet of 100 grs or less.


Wow this raises a question - does that mean a bolt action .223 rifle is ok for target practice at the NJ state hunting target ranges where supposedly only guns legal for hunting may be used? If it is legal for groundhogs....

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#27 Parker

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:12 PM

Wow this raises a question - does that mean a bolt action .223 rifle is ok for target practice at the NJ state hunting target ranges where supposedly only guns legal for hunting may be used? If it is legal for groundhogs....

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Unfortunately it does not. Guidelines spell out "rimfire" specifically for rifles.
"No handguns or centerfire rifles permitted"

http://www.nj.gov/dep/fgw/ranges.htm

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#28 dajonga

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  • LocationBayville

Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:37 PM

Kman,

WMAs that allow .22 are now allowing .17 cal rimfire.

I do not have the link on me now, but another forum member pointed me to it.

I will try to find it.

#29 dajonga

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  • LocationBayville

Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:42 PM


Found it.


http://www.eregulati...a-regulations/#


.17 is now good to go at WMAs that allow rimfires.


QUOTE...

Muzzleloading rifle and shotgun range: muzzleloading firearms, shotguns with rifled slugs or buckshot and ­modern rimfire (both .17 and .22 caliber) rifles only.


#30 kman

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  • LocationNorth New Jersey
  • Home Range:Easton Fish and Game, PA

Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:16 PM

Unfortunately it does not. Guidelines spell out "rimfire" specifically for rifles.
"No handguns or centerfire rifles permitted"

http://www.nj.gov/dep/fgw/ranges.htm


What a slap in the face to groundhog hunters in NJ. I wonder if anyone has complained. I mean, if you pay for the license, you ought to be able to use the facilities that are funded by the license fees, to practice with the firearm you are legally entitled to use in the hunt... Sounds like a good argument there.




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