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#1 BlueLineFish

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:26 PM

I have 3 guns to try and sell for co-workers. I cant sell them here and they are not going to join. I have to sell on other forums. What is the shipping process for handguns without going through a ffl?

#2 dtown223

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:50 PM

Must ship to an FFL via FedEx or UPS,
These carriers will require you to ship 2nd day air, and do so from a "hub"
I couldn't find a "Storefront"UPS and FedEx location that would accept a handgun.
Private individuals cannot ship handguns via USPS.
Honestly your best bet is have an FFL with whom you're friendly ship for you, even if they charge you a fee, it'll probably work out to be less than what you'll pay UPS/FedEx.
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#3 tj462nj

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:56 PM

Must ship to an FFL via FedEx or UPS,
These carriers will require you to ship 2nd day air, and do so from a "hub"
I couldn't find a "Storefront"UPS and FedEx location that would accept a handgun.
Private individuals cannot ship handguns via USPS.
Honestly your best bet is have an FFL with whom you're friendly ship for you, even if they charge you a fee, it'll probably work out to be less than what you'll pay UPS/FedEx.

incorrect, fedex & ups will only ship next day on handguns, even though federal law says 2 days. depending where your shipping to & insurance coverage, average through those carriers will run you around $70 each

#4 BlueLineFish

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:19 PM

Might have to go the ffl route. Only problem is they are not my handguns. What a PITA. I wish I could just sell them on here

#5 Pizza Bob

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:33 PM

incorrect, fedex & ups will only ship next day on handguns, even though federal law says 2 days. depending where your shipping to & insurance coverage, average through those carriers will run you around $70 each


Cite please? I don't think there is any federal requirement, this is just the carrier's policy.
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#6 Tactical Turtle

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:35 PM

Might have to go the ffl route. Only problem is they are not my handguns. What a PITA. I wish I could just sell them on here


Why cant u sell them here?
You and the Government don't need to know what I own..





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#7 PK90

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:42 PM

Why cant u sell them here?


Rule 4. No selling for anyone else. No listing weapons that your dad, brother, friend are trying to get rid of.

Of course, one could be circumventing this rule by posting twice that one can not sell for another., and by receiving and sending PMs to what one's friend is selling.

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#8 BlueLineFish

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:42 PM

Why cant u sell them here?


They are not mine..I was told you can't sell other people's stuff. Guess I won't be passing deals to forum members nor are we all adults to work out any deals that may occur. Oh well

#9 Tactical Turtle

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:44 PM

Sad the 3 bucks they will spend to sell them here is cheaper then any shipping or fil fees.... Just crazy
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#10 BlueLineFish

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:46 PM

It's not that...they really don't know the rules nor want to be bothered. It's not the three dollars. Plus who is going to buy from somebody whose first post is a classified and participates in nothing else. They are realists and not big into firearms.

#11 Yotafan

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:52 PM

I am all for rules but with BLF having the rep he does on here and with 4k+ posts i think there should be an exception to the rule.
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#12 BlueLineFish

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:16 PM

I don't think there should be exceptions but I just think that rule is dumb. I guess I can equate it to firearms laws in NJ but since its a rule I must abide by it.

#13 reloaderguy

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:22 PM

incorrect, fedex & ups will only ship next day on handguns, even though federal law says 2 days. depending where your shipping to & insurance coverage, average through those carriers will run you around $70 each


That is if he is shipping them himself. My ffl only ships 2nd day and cost is about $15 because he has a fedex account..

#14 Jon

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:12 PM

There are a few problems with selling guns for someone else...

One, we don't want to encourage people to conduct illegal transfers by acting as a middleman for a deal.

Two, if someone doesn't wish to contribute to the forum, why should they get some benefit from it? There are plenty of forum FFLs who can legally broker deals that you can turn friends to.

Three, members don't want to get strung along by talking to multiple people while trying to buy something. It is a pain in the ass to make an offer to one person, and then wait while he/she brings that offer to the owner, gets an answer, and then provides that answer to the prospective buyer. The same issue crops up when asking questions about an item.

For these reasons, we have the rules that we do. For your specific situation, BLF, I would recommend forwarding your friends to any of our supporting FFLs in order to have them take the guns on consignment.
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#15 Handyman

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:40 PM

Field strip guns. Ship serialized parts UPS. Declare them "machine parts" and ship whatever speed you like. Put remaining parts in USPS flat rate box for <$5. Ship away.

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#16 GRIZ

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:13 AM

Field strip guns. Ship serialized parts UPS. Declare them "machine parts" and ship whatever speed you like. Put remaining parts in USPS flat rate box for <$5. Ship away.


Which would be okay for everything but the frame. IIRC Federal law requires you to declare a firearm to a common carrier when shipping.

#17 mike.one

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:46 PM

you might be able to sell them quite faster on arcom, bigger market. am i breaking the rules if I ask what kind of guns theyre trying to sell?

#18 BlueLineFish

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:26 PM

you might be able to sell them quite faster on arcom, bigger market. am i breaking the rules if I ask what kind of guns theyre trying to sell?


Feel free to pm me

#19 Steve_G

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:41 PM

Which would be okay for everything but the frame. IIRC Federal law requires you to declare a firearm to a common carrier when shipping.


Could you post a link to that federal law? I have never seen such a law and would not want to do something wrong.
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#20 PK90

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 08:03 PM

Could you post a link to that federal law? I have never seen such a law and would not want to do something wrong.


18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30

And,

ยง 478.31 Delivery by common or contract carrier.
(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped.

And,

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may
mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]

And,

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

And,

May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?
Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.

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