NJ2AS News 0 Posted June 27, 2013 Whatever happened with this? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Still ongoing. Update will be posted shortly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJ2AS News 0 Posted June 27, 2013 From the NJ2AS Facebook Page: *** UPDATE ON CCW APPLICATIONS!!!OK, here are a few things I want to say. First, a LOT has occurred since we first started to address the problem of the CCW application statistics being TOTALLY unrepresentative of reality. For NJ to state that the vast majority of CCW applications are approved is a "prevarication of the highest magnitude" (BIG LIE) and we *ALL* know it. They are able to manipulate the statistics by assuring you that if you are not a law enforcement officer, you are going to be turned down. Couple that with the fear that *IF* you are turned down it could affect your life in some negative way and most people will simply decide not to apply. We would like to know what the statistics would tell the Nation about NJ if all the people who wished to carry a concealed firearm for personal defense actually *DID* apply. As we know, the statistics would invariably reverse direction with the OVERWHELMING majority of applications being turned down due to "lack of justifiable need" (defense of your precious life and family is *NOT* considered "justifiable need" in our great state).We have been able to determine that being denied a permit by NJ (simply for lack of "justifiable need") will NOT result in you being denied a non-resident CCW in Florida. Utah does not require you to answer that question if you already have a license from Florida, so that problem is effectively solved. Here is the problem. We are STILL trying to get a definitive answer as to whether or not being denied a CCW in NJ will affect your life in other ways. For instance, will it make it more difficult or impossible to obtain a Handgun Purchase Permit? Could it interfere with your ability to obtain certain jobs or clearances. You might think that it is easy to get those answers. I can assure you that it is not. I cannot ask people to proceed with the next step (actual submission of the application) until I have real reliable answers to these questions. I most certainly would like to hear from anyone who has real-life, verifiable answers to some of these questions. Please contact me at [email protected] if you have that kind of information to share (either negative or positive), or share it here.Once we are comfortable that the consequences do not outweigh the benefits, we will then organize and execute the next step. I just felt that you were entitled to an explanation in the meantime. I don't want people to think that this is all a black box. Usually, if I don't share something right away, the reason is that there are reasons not to telescope our plans. In this case, I don't think it will make a difference, and it is probably better if there are as many people as possible looking for answers. I would especially like to hear from Security Company Employers, Those familiar with Military Clearance FFLs and any employer whose company has a policy on this.Thank you all for your help and cooperation.Frank Jack FiamingoPresident - NJ2AS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted June 27, 2013 Justifiable need? Everyone who is a member in Milburn should put in an application. There is a rabid animal on the loose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJ2AS News 0 Posted June 27, 2013 Justifiable need? Everyone who is a member in Milburn should put in an application. There is a rabid animal on the loose. From my point of view, "justifiable need" is simply I like being alive! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bulpup 98 Posted June 29, 2013 Thanks for the answer. I hadn't checked here for a while so I missed your reply. Is there any information regarding what happened when members asked for applications? Do you still want people to do that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted June 29, 2013 My department has it listed that all firearms forms must be downloaded from NJSP website, filled out, and brought in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wink-_-wink 1 Posted July 17, 2013 My department has it listed that all firearms forms must be downloaded from NJSP website, filled out, and brought in. Same here, but they also provide some of the forms on the local PD website as well, they don't hand them out anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millsan1 3 Posted July 17, 2013 Another brilliant plan, started and not followed up on, brought to you by NJ2ADHD. And before you shit on me, I am a member, I do support, I was at all the rallies and ran for office to protect our rights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJ2AS News 0 Posted July 25, 2013 This plan is ongoing. Given the recent developments in the courts, we are on hold with moving forward right now, but the plan is far from dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites