ogfarmer 138 Posted January 17, 2014 http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2014/Bills/S0500/252_I1.HTM STATEMENT This bill exempts tubular magazines designed to accept, and capable of operation only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition from the definition of “large capacity ammunition magazine.” Currently, any magazine, regardless of design or caliber, that is capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition is defined as a large capacity ammunition magazine. Large capacity ammunition magazines are illegal in New Jersey. Under New Jersey law, any person possessing a large capacity ammunition magazine is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Under this bill, tubular magazines designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition are exempted from the definition of “large capacity ammunition magazine.” This exemption would permit the sale and possession of a popular beginner gun, the Marlin Model 60, often referred to as the “Boy Scout gun.” The firearm is low caliber and the tubular magazine cannot be reloaded quickly. Other states and jurisdictions with strict gun laws have provided exemptions from their definitions of “large capacity magazines” for this specific magazine. Among those states and jurisdictions are California, New York, Maryland, and Washington, D.C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted January 17, 2014 Well holy crap, the threw us a puppy bone. Good boy... "See, we gave something back...." Sent from my iPad 2 using T2 Pro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buns of Guns 7 Posted February 4, 2014 I thought that this was just another recycled bill, previously shot down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted February 4, 2014 I thought that this was just another recycled bill, previously shot down. It was S2735 in the last session introduced by Van Drew. It isn't law yet just a proposal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted February 4, 2014 It's a good bill designed to make this gun not an assault weapon. It actually made it out of LPS committee last year but Sweeney buried it because the GOPers ran Niki Trunk against him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buns of Guns 7 Posted February 4, 2014 It actually made it out of LPS committee last year but Sweeney buried it because the GOPers ran Niki Trunk against him. Why would that encourage him to hold back on actual "common sense" legislation? If anything, I would think it would help his image among gun owners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted February 4, 2014 Why would that encourage him to hold back on actual "common sense" legislation? If anything, I would think it would help his image among gun owners. Because liberal democrats in NJ or anywhere for that matter are not about compromise. Sweeney was fighting with Weinberg for control of the Democrat party in NJ and she is rabidly anti gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunguy1960 2 Posted February 5, 2014 22 caliber guns should be exempt from assault weapon laws, there is at least one state that does that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Matrix 105 Posted February 5, 2014 22 caliber guns should be exempt from assault weapon laws, there is at least one state that does that. I believe its Commiefornia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bignic83 0 Posted February 5, 2014 So, my 1940's era Winchester 72A that has been in this state since new is illegal? Wow, I have been bring it to the range for years. I love New Jersey. Unbelievable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMWR12 35 Posted February 5, 2014 So, my 1940's era Winchester 72A that has been in this state since new is illegal? Wow, I have been bring it to the range for years. I love New Jersey. Unbelievable. The current law applies to semi auto only. The 72a is a bolt gun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bignic83 0 Posted February 5, 2014 The current law applies to semi auto only. The 72a is a bolt gun? Ahhh, ok, my bad. I thought it meant all tubular mags. Yes my 72A is bolt gun. Love to shoot it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TR20 47 Posted February 5, 2014 It's a good bill designed to make this gun not an assault weapon. It actually made it out of LPS committee last year but Sweeney buried it because the GOPers ran Niki Trunk against him. Ryan, Can you tell me why this simple rifle is called an "assault weapon"? I was thinking of getting a rifle but I am concerned that after I buy one, it will be outlawed for some BS reason. Thanks, Tom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 22, 2014 They finally figured out that .22 rimfire is not dangerous. Why limit capacity on a .22??? No one was ever killed with a .22. I feel that a legislator should not be allowed to vote on a topic that he or she has absolutely no knowledge of!!! If a politician knows nothing about guns, how the hell can they pass laws restricting them??? They should have training and demonstrate a good working knowledge before being allowed to vote against something they know nothing about. I doubt I will get a CCW without first proving my knowledge and ability with a gun. Yet they can vote against my right for CCW without any proven knowledge whatsoever!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted February 22, 2014 Don't know if you're serious, but .22s have killed plenty of people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted February 22, 2014 No one was ever killed with a .22. http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/ammo-can/148876-fbi-rates-best-caliber-killing-humans.html http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/236976.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 22, 2014 Of course I was kidding. I was only trying to emphasize the lack of gun knowledge by the people who write our gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 27, 2014 Just got this in my Email @ 2:10 PM Today!!! ?????? MAG BAN IS REALLY A GUN BAN! Direct Attack On Gun Owners, Hunters and Sportsmen Would Ban Popular American .22 Rifles! Would Turn Current Owners Into Felons - Up to TEN YEARS in Prison No Grandfathering, No Amnesty "Confiscate, Confiscate, Confiscate" A2006 = GUN BAN Anti-gun legislators' attempt to ban ammunition magazines over 10 rounds (A2006) is a lot more than "just" a magazine ban. It's also a gun ban that would outlaw some of the most popular .22 rifles in the United States, turn their owners into felons, and force them to abandon their property or go to jail for as long as ten years - essentially a confiscation. Whether by stealth or stupidity, A2006 (scheduled to be heard in Assembly committee on Monday, March 3), would make the following change to existing law: "'Assault Firearm' means...A semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 15 10 rounds." This change would flat-out ban many common and popular tube-fed .22 rifles, including the partial list of guns that would be banned at the bottom of this alert. Those in possession of these popular guns would be turned into felons overnight for possession of so-called "assault" firearms - a second degree crime in New Jersey carrying up to ten years in prison, with a minimum mandatory sentence of 3-5 years, with no chance of parole. A2006 contains no grandfathering to protect current owners, and no amnesty period or procedure for current owners who wish to comply (in ironic contradiction to the legislature's creation of a limited "assault" firearms amnesty period in 2013, which has since expired). Existing owners would be thrown to the wolves - forced to abandon their property or go to prison - a form of confiscation. Although NJ's anti-gun legislators have long denied any intention to confiscate firearms, their true intentions were exposed last year in shocking "hot mic" comments between legislators after a gun control hearing, in which they stated their wish to "confiscate, confiscate, confiscate" firearms. A2006 MAGAZINE BAN Less hidden in A2006 than the gun ban, is its stated purpose: to ban magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. This is based on the naïve and false assumption that removing a particular type of tool from society will somehow make everyone safer. Those bent on doing evil will not be stopped or deterred just because a particular tool becomes less available or unavailable. If box cutters could bring down the World Trade Center, does anyone really believe that banning box cutters will stop the next terrorist attack? The same is true of firearms - banning a particular tool will not deter someone who is determined to do evil. Also, criminals and madmen don't follow magazine bans, or any other type of ban for that matter. Criminals laugh at laws that target hardware. Only law-abiding citizens are affected by hardware bans, because they're the only ones that follow them. The net effect is that the law-abiding are put at a disadvantage against the lawless. The only thing that criminals understand is severe punishment. Even if a magic wand could be waved in the land of anti-gun fantasy and remove all 10+ round magazines from the planet, no one would be made any safer, because magazines can be changed very quickly. The theory that a magazine change provides an opportunity to "tackle" an assailant is unsound and unsupported by the weight of the evidence. The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that police owe no duty to protect individual citizens from harm, which means that citizens are on their own in an emergency and cannot rely on 911. Yet rather than enhance the ability of citizens to defend themselves when an emergency or home invasion strikes, A2006 would instead tie their hands and put them at a disadvantage against criminals who will ignore the magazine ban. Magazine bans are also completely arbitrary and their logic, if followed, have the potential to lead to a complete ban on all rounds. The idea that an eleventh round is somehow more lethal than the tenth is absurd, and the exact same logic could be applied to a second round in relation to the first, or even the first round itself. The Constitutional right of self-defense is sacrosanct, and a magazine ban directly and significantly interferes with that right. NOTE: A2777 (reasonable deviations in firearms transportation) has still not been posted online. We will have comment on that legislation when it becomes available. PLEASE IMMEDIATELY TELL MEMBERS OF THE ASSEMBLY LAW AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE TO DEFEAT THE A2006 GUN BAN AND MAGAZINE BAN! Charles Mainor (Chair) (D31) [email protected] Phone: 201-536-7851 Fax: 201-536-7854 Gilbert L. Wilson (Vice Chair) (D5) [email protected] Phone: 856-547-4800 Fax: 856-547-5496 Joseph Cryan (D20) [email protected] Phone: 908-624-0880 Fax: 908-624-0587 Gregory P. McGuckin (R10) [email protected] Phone: 732-840-9028 Fax: 732-840-9757 Erik Peterson (R23) [email protected] Phone: 908-238-0251 Fax: 908-238-0256 Nancy J. Pinkin (D18) [email protected] Phone: 732-548-1406 Fax: 732-548-1623 David P. Rible (R30) [email protected] Phone: 732-974-0400 Fax: 732-974-2564 Shavonda E. Sumter (D35) [email protected] Phone: 973-925-7061 Fax: 973-925-7067 THE BAN LIST FOLLOWING IS A PARTIAL LIST OF THE SEMI-AUTO .22 RIFLES* THAT WOULD BE BANNED BY A2006: Browning Auto .22 Rifles Browning Auto-22 Rifle Browning Auto-22 Grade VI Browning BAR .22 Auto Rifle Browning SA-22 Semi-Auto 22 Rifle CBC N66 Auto rifle Glenfield Model 40 rifle Lakefield Arms Model 64B Auto Rifle Marlin Glenfield 60 rifle Marlin 552 BDL rifle Marlin Model 60 Self Loading Rifles Marlin Model 60C Marlin Model 60SB Marlin Model 60S-CF Marlin Model 60SN Marlin Model 60ss Self-Loading Rifle Marlin Model 60 SSK rifle Marlin Model 60 DLX rifle Marlin Glenfield 75C rifle Marlin Model 795 Marlin Model 795SS Marlin Model 922 Magnum Self-Loading Rifle Marlin 990 rifle Marlin Model 990l Self-Loading Rifle Marlin Model 995 Self-Loading Rifle Mossberg 377 Plinkster rifle Mossberg 702 Plinkster Mossberg - Other Variants Norinco Model 22 ATD Rifle Remington 552 rifle Remington 552A rifle Remington 552BDL Speedmaster Rifle Remington Model 522 Viper Autoloading Rifle Remington Nylon 66 rifle Remington Nylon 66AB rifle Remington Nylon 66 Savage 990DL rifle Stevens 987-T rifle Taurus Model 63 rifle Weatherby Mark XXII Tubular rifle Winchester 190 Winchester 290 Winchester- Other Variants *LEGAL NOTE FROM EVAN NAPPEN: New Jersey takes the position that tube-fed semi-auto .22 rifles that hold rounds in excess of the legal limit are "assault firearms" under New Jersey law. This was affirmed by the State Supreme Court in the infamous Pelleteri case, in which a citizen was convicted of possession of a Marlin model 60 .22 caliber rifle.. Forward this email This email was sent to [email protected] by [email protected] | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe™ | Privacy Policy. ANJRPC | PO Box 353 | Pompton Plains | NJ | 07444 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted February 27, 2014 This original post is a whole separate bill then the one you posted alert about. The thread is about a bill that was supposed to fix the problem about tube fed 22's but now this bill will be useless and die if the mag reduction bill goes thru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallday 10 Posted February 27, 2014 Its Cool we just need to make an AR with a tube fed mag! JK!! I am so tired of this BS... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 27, 2014 This original post is a whole separate bill then the one you posted alert about. The thread is about a bill that was supposed to fix the problem about tube fed 22's but now this bill will be useless and die if the mag reduction bill goes thru OG, Why will this bill be useless if the mag bill passes? I thought the Senate bill further defines the Assembly mag cap limit as to not include tube fed 22s. I'm confused! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted February 27, 2014 because the S252 was to fix a problem we had before A2006 , A2006 will now remove a ton other rifles that hold 10+ -15rds and calls them assault firearms. This is a way that they created a way to eliminate many rifles from our possession, S252 will now become obsolete so to speak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites