Alternative to pinning butt stock?

[seabasstard 1]

Does a butt stock have to be permanently pinned to the buffer tube to be considered NJ legal? What if it was plugged so as to only allow the pin to engage the first hole, but not allow it to collapse any further? It would make the stock removable, so I could swap a different style one on if I wanted. I couldn't find an interpretation of the law that specifically describes a removable stock as similar enough to the "folding" or "telescopic" feature making it illegal.

 

The plug would be epoxied and it would only lock the stock into one position, with no chance of adjustability, the only question is if being removable makes it illegal. Even removed, the overall length of the rifle is still over 26", so I don't think there is an issue there.

 

Thoughts?

[alec.mc 180]

Alternative to pinning butt stock?

 

 

Jail.

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

Have a look at page two of this thread:

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/49840-pined-stock-question/page-3#entry758497

[High Exposure 5,661]

Jail.

I literally LOLed

 

You could always get a fixed stock....

 

The method you are describing sounds like a no-go to me.

[david8613 69]

Just pin the stock way too easy, the first stock I ever pinned the drill bit actually broke in it, job done...

[papercutninja 24]

Alternatively, if you wanted to switch buttstocks, then get a second buffer tube and install (and pin) the new stock on that. To swap, unscrew the castle nut, and BOOM: new stock. Figure low-end buffer tubes are $20 each, so that's a cheap price to avoid going to prison.

[checko 180]

I was under the impression it doesn't have to be "permanent" just unable to collapse or fold.

[High Exposure 5,661]

A pin isn't permanent.

 

But, if the stock is removable it isn't fixed and therefore it is "collapsible" or "adjustable". Simply plugging the stock so it can't collapse any further doesn't make it fixed IMO.

[seabasstard 1]

I guess that's the opinion I was looking for High Ex. I can certainly see a judge saying that it "could" still be considered collapsible. I wasn't looking for some nuanced way around the law, I just couldn't find any exclusion of a removable, single position stock.

 

I've pinned them before, I'll pin them again. Until I move to Wyoming.

 

Brings up another thought. Anyone ever epoxy one in place? I've used some modern adhesives on metal to plastic that I guarantee are more permanent than roll pins.

[7.62fmj 0]

I know some people epoxy magazine floor plates. I'd imagine the same concept applies to stocks.

[Polak 3]

Jail.

State Pound-you-in-the-ass Prison

[Barms 98]

The Magpul fixed stock is just held on with a screwdriver

[Ficus 36]

I Put jb weld on one. There is no possible way to get it off without completely messing the stock and buffer tube up.

[Smoke Eater 0]

Get a ctr/str/acs and pin the friction lock in place. A drop of superglue has held up on a few of mine for the last several years.

[silverado427 10,669]

State Pound-you-in-the-ass Prison

Thats where all our politicians should be housed.

[PK90 3,569]

WTF is this "permanent pinning" shit?

[pbkid6974 1]

WTF is this "permanent pinning" shit?

people over thinking the law...

 

put ONE roll pin it a friction lock and your good. i had to use two because i messed up my first hole and only caught half of the part i was drilling into. i didn't want it to break if some asshole cop really hammered on the slide lock. if you are really that worried about it tho, just buy a magpul fixed carbine stock. i bought one because it was on sale for $40 instead of almost $100 for an STR. it is very solid and the same spot as my STR that i pinned in the second position out from all the way closed.

[Lalo 13]

Have a look at page two of this thread:

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/49840-pined-stock-question/page-3#entry758497

[TheLugNutZ 21]

There is another thread somewhere around here that instead of pinning going in from the side, you swapped the spring in the little lever that lets you adjust the stock with a pin therefor you cannot pull the lever and it cannot be adjusted.

 

sorry if that is really confusing... ill try to find the thread

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

There is another thread somewhere around here that instead of pinning going in from the side, you swapped the spring in the little lever that lets you adjust the stock with a pin therefor you cannot pull the lever and it cannot be adjusted.

 

sorry if that is really confusing... ill try to find the thread

Here it is:

 

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/49840-pined-stock-question/page-2

[TheLugNutZ 21]

Thats actually not the thread, but yeah thats what I meant.  Instead of using a spent case though, all you need is a pin of the appropriate size.  So actually its much easier then shown in that thread...

[TheLugNutZ 21]

here is the thread i was looking for:

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/30623-how-to-pin-magpul-ctr-stock-without-drilling/

[1LtCAP 4,262]

people over thinking the law...

 

put ONE roll pin it a friction lock and your good. i had to use two because i messed up my first hole and only caught half of the part i was drilling into. i didn't want it to break if some asshole cop really hammered on the slide lock. if you are really that worried about it tho, just buy a magpul fixed carbine stock. i bought one because it was on sale for $40 instead of almost $100 for an STR. it is very solid and the same spot as my STR that i pinned in the second position out from all the way closed.

bumping an old thread here. sorry for that, but i'm looking for this kind of info, and figured better to be a necromonger, than to make another new thread about the same thing.

 

 anyway.....you pinned the friction lock? my stock is the magpul moe. it's for the release lever that moves the pin outta the detent on the buffer tube. if i were to simply pin that release lever? that would be legal?

 

 thanks!

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

bumping an old thread here. sorry for that, but i'm looking for this kind of info, and figured better to be a necromonger, than to make another new thread about the same thing.

 

anyway.....you pinned the friction lock? my stock is the magpul moe. it's for the release lever that moves the pin outta the detent on the buffer tube. if i were to simply pin that release lever? that would be legal?

 

thanks!

I just pinned the lever on my Colt 901's stock using this method:

 

 

http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=623365

 

NJ law does not specify HOW the stock is pinned, only that if a semi auto rifle cannot have a collapsable, folding, or telescoping stock if it also has a detachable magazine and a pistol grip.

In theory, as long as the stock does not collapse, fold, or telescope, the spirit of the law is met.

 

I am a humble engineer, NOT a lawyer.