OGAM - We're Being Lied To

[bhunted 887]

What if I needed four guns?

Ya can only shoot 1 at a time while the other hand is writing your name in the snow...

 

 

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[Newtonian 453]

What if I needed four guns?

Then you need an extension for one of the permits. 

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

You people that are going, "It's only one day, what's the big deal?" are missing the point. The point being that the law is the law - we have to abide by it, why shouldn't we expect the NJSP to also? Do you think you would catch a break if your magazine was only one round over 15? Or if you only had one hollowpoint? Or maybe three evil features instead of only two? You're right, one day, in the overall scheme of things is no big deal - I've waited years sometimes for things I want badly - so one day is nothing. But it is the principle and that is what bugs me. The police are not supposed to unilaterally change the law - they are supposed to enforce it. That's all, no big deal 

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[Vlad G 345]

Oh, I understand the confusion now, you think we are still a nation of laws.

[M4BGRINGO 139]

These are the types of laws the NRA should be helping us to repeal. They do absolutely nothing to help with crime. These laws just stop law-abiding citizens from pursuing their hobby. Once an individual has purchased their first handgun. no more permits should be required, no waiting period at-all. Want to buy one on Monday, four on Tuesday, have at it. Just the background check, that is all. Why don't they PROVE to us that these laws have helped the crime rate. They can't. The magazine capacity limit is also useless. Why not limit us to how many magazines we can buy then? If I have 20 magazines with five rounds each, ten magazines with ten rounds each, it is still the same amount of rounds.

[Newtonian 453]

Oh, I understand the confusion now, you think we are still a nation of laws.

Look, this is the LEAST of our problems. If we had Missouri's or Ohio's or Pennsylvania's laws, and OGPM, we would gladly live with that restriction. Yeah we'd bitch and moan, but really. You're into this hobby for 2 years and you can have 24 handguns. Can you find just the right one in that time?

 

Our problem is that NJ gun law begins with prohibiting all firearms, and moves forward from there. THAT is the problem. Not the silly details about OGPM. Focus on the important stuff, not the trivia.

[Oakridgefirearms 224]

You people that are going, "It's only one day, what's the big deal?" are missing the point. The point being that the law is the law - we have to abide by it, why shouldn't we expect the NJSP to also? Do you think you would catch a break if your magazine was only one round over 15? Or if you only had one hollowpoint? Or maybe three evil features instead of only two? You're right, one day, in the overall scheme of things is no big deal - I've waited years sometimes for things I want badly - so one day is nothing. But it is the principle and that is what bugs me. The police are not supposed to unilaterally change the law - they are supposed to enforce it. That's all, no big deal 

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

I get your point, but...........

 

That same law also says if a person is a C&R holder, they are exempt from OGAM (arguably maybe only for C&R eligible guns), but try to use that part of the law........... When we do a NICS check, there isn't an option under exempt handgun transfers to use that as a basis for being exempt from OGAM.

 

This^^ in my opinion is an even more blatant example of the state doing what it wants and not following it's own law.

[djg0770 481]

This^^ in my opinion is an even more blatant example of the state doing what it wants and not following it's own law.

 

If the issue were about the C&R being an automatic exemption - that IMO is worth a hell of a fight.  At that moment, I would apply for my C&R.

[magnawing 5]

Here's an OGAM question that if haven't seen answered yet...Does OGAM apply to F2F purchases? You're not buying from a dealer soooo....???

 

 

This signature is AWESOME!!!

[PK90 3,570]

Here's an OGAM question that if haven't seen answered yet...Does OGAM apply to F2F purchases? You're not buying from a dealer soooo....???

 

 

This signature is AWESOME!!!

 

YES

 

ETA: NJS 2C:58-3i

Restriction on number of firearms person may purchase. Only one handgun shall be purchased or delivered on each permit and no more than one handgun shall be purchased within any 30-day period, but this limitation shall not apply to: 

 

(1) a federal, State or local law enforcement officer or agency purchasing handguns for use by officers in the actual performance of their law enforcement duties;

 

(2) a collector of handguns as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) who has in his possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives;

 

(3) transfers of handguns among licensed retail dealers, registered wholesale dealers and registered manufacturers

 

(4) transfers of handguns from any person to a licensed retail dealer or a registered wholesale dealer or registered manufacturer.

 

(5) any transaction where the person has purchased a handgun from a licensed retail dealer and has returned that handgun to the dealer in exchange for another handgun within 30 days of the original transaction, provided the retail dealer reports the exchange transaction to the superintendent; or

 

(6) any transaction where the superintendent issues an exemption from the prohibition in this subsection pursuant to the provisions of section 4 of P.L.2009, c.186 (C.2C:58-3.4).

 

The provisions of this subsection shall not be construed to afford or authorize any other exemption from the regulatory provisions governing firearms set forth in chapter 39 and chapter 58 of Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes;

 

A person shall not be restricted as to the number of rifles or shotguns he may purchase, provided he possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card and provided further that he signs the certification required in subsection b. of this section for each transaction.

[Walt of Destiny 412]

We seem to be rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

 

I agree that if we are compelled to follow the law, so should the enforcers. However, in this pit of shit that passes for a state, all gun laws are enthusiastically and aggressively enforced. To the point of making us gun folk dysfunctionally hyper-terrified of going afoul of even erroneous readings of law. I proffer my pathetic efforts at having people understand the basic difference between adjustable and telescopic as a case study. So if we can't even define simple words, how the hell would we be able to count days between purchases properly.

 

They hold all the cards. There is no due process or legislative process. Every public master has been emboldened by the sovereign in Washington to change laws via memorandum. So an appointed AG can rescind a long standing carry reciprocity agreement with a memo. The same goes on here. The law is pliable from their viewpoint. So they can say that since you could buy a HG at 00:00 you could get an extra day so why not make it 32 days. And guess what, we'd all follow, like the lemmings we are, with our neutered tacticool rifles hanging off single point slings banging our nuts with every step.

 

So if we are so beaten that we pin adjustable stocks even though they are not telescoping, you may as well just wait 40 days, maybe 50. Just to make sure. Maybe they'll start counting holidays as not part of the 30 days. Who knows? As long as WE, and I do mean WE, keep electing these treasonous miscreants, this is all meaningless. The fudds will watch them come for us and then we'll watch them come for them.

 

My meandering point is that all this hand wringing concerning the letter of a ridiculous law really isn't anything. It's a nervous tick that manifests itself among sufferers of PTSD.

 

Want to fix it? Vote. Get your like minded pals to vote. Get your significant others, invalid parents and of-age kids to vote. We couldn't even keep that asshole, lying, stealing Booker from getting elected. Yet we argue about 24hrs with regard to a flawed law.

 

We New Jersey gun owners all suffer from gun law PTSD. We are an "emergent minority" that deserves protection.

 

IMHO.

[PK90 3,570]

Well said Walt. You sir are spot on and I concur 100%.

 

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[djg0770 481]

I agree that if we are compelled to follow the law, so should the enforcers.

Let's start with that cell phone law.  Oh right, all animals are equal, just some animals are more equal than others.

 

 

We New Jersey gun owners all suffer from gun law PTSD. We are an "emergent minority" that deserves protection.

 

IMHO.

Want to fix it? Vote. Get your like minded pals to vote. Get your significant others, invalid parents and of-age kids to vote. We couldn't even keep that asshole, lying, stealing Booker from getting elected. Yet we argue about 24hrs with regard to a flawed law.

 

Vote for what?  The time for voting and decorum is past.  It's time for revolt.

[PK90 3,570]

Vote for what? The time for voting and decorum is past. It's time for revolt.

LOL

 

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[ryan_j 0]

These are the types of laws the NRA should be helping us to repeal. 

 

Why the NRA? Where are the 1 million NJ gun owners? What are they waiting on?

[Walt of Destiny 412]

Let's start with that cell phone law. Oh right, all animals are equal, just some animals are more equal than others.

 

 

 

Vote for what? The time for voting and decorum is past. It's time for revolt.

I saw a great sticker on a truck yesterday:

 

"Our forefathers would be shooting already"

 

I chuckled to myself. Because what I got from that statement is that we are so soft that we can't even exercise the bloodless option that takes no sacrifice other than pencil lead.

 

So I take all talk of armed insurrection that requires real sacrifice and the other kind of lead with a huge grain of salt.

 

Can we start with the coup at the ballot box?

 

We surrender our rights every day. We all followed lockstep to violate the Uniform Commercial Code by denying a business man of ownership of a business because he privately expressed his personal viewpoint. I may abhor your speech, but I will defend your right to freely express that speech. What is next? Will a devout Christian be denied his right to operate a business because he is against gay marriage? We have to tread carefully with all these usurpations of our rights. Remember that in another time abolitionists were routinely persecuted for voicing their opinions. Denied their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

 

As much as you and I may abhor what that bigoted piece of shit said to that pathological Jezebel in the privacy of their whatever. I as an American and a Latino will uphold his first amendment rights.

 

To get back the original point after my severe digression; We are discussing the finer points of a ridiculous law that does nothing for any purpose other than to randomly infringe our rights. Yet these fools continue to get elected. We are over a million gun owners in this state. Imagine if we were able to act in lockstep? Consider all that we could accomplish before having to strap on the six-guns. Then we would be back in the United States of America.

 

I appreciate the nitpicking of the enforcers of these laws that turn is into law abiding criminals. I really do. But as I said, the solution lies not in our guns but in our votes.

 

 

[LorenzoS 100]

These are the types of laws the NRA should be helping us to repeal.

 

Who are they?  Haven't seen them around here.

[Dan_G 0]

What about the exception for c&r holders

[djg0770 481]

What about the exception for c&r holders

 

The 125 (or whatever small number) of C&R holders should raise a stink.  Maybe make your own flag.  Demand equal rights under the law.  Protest on the steps of the capitol.  Oh right, that only works for the left.  Nevermind.