StankMoney 0 Posted July 15, 2014 Hey all, I joined up here about a year ago and have just been lurking. This is my first post... Anyway, due to unfortunate circumstances, I'm going to have to sell a pistol. I've read all the stickies and I'm familiar with F2F sale laws, but still a little nervous... I just need to verify the buyer is who they say they are, and fill out the paperwork properly, right? Do you guys do anything above and beyond? I'm half-tempted to go through an FFL, but that just adds extra expense and hassle. Where do you guys usually meet for a sale? A range? Should I call ahead and ask if they're OK with me potentially "taking a sale" from them? I've never had to sell a gun before, and I just don't wanna look silly haha. Thanks in advance! Nick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted July 15, 2014 Turnpike rest area and WaWa parking lot have been the most unconventional discrete transaction locations I've used. The seller's home and a range have been the easiest to both examine the gun and do the paperwork. The seller fills out the buyer's 4 part permit and gets to see the buyer's matching-address drivers license They both sign, buyer keeps pink copy, seller keeps blue copy. Seller mails top and 2nd copy to NJSP and issuing agency (to change the registration of the handgun from him to the buyer) Easy peasy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted July 15, 2014 OMG. Now you did it. Prepare to be bombarded by the tin foil hatters and finger pointers who quote the law ad nauseum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StankMoney 0 Posted July 15, 2014 Lol uh oh. I guess I'm more concerned with where to actually have the sale take place. I'd rather not do it at my house, but I guess that's the best option. I just don't know if selling my gun at a range that sells guns would upset the range owners. And, in this state, selling a gun in a parking lot where someone could see it and get the wrong idea scares me a bit haha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 956 Posted July 15, 2014 OMG. Now you did it. Prepare to be bombarded by the tin foil hatters and finger pointers who quote the law ad nauseum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 826 Posted July 15, 2014 In your garage. While open carrying of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted July 15, 2014 Best place is a location where in NJ it is legal for both buyer AND seller to possess the gun. Thus a range or a gun store is the best place. Strictly speaking there is no reason you need to tell the place what you are doing. If you sell it in your garage, then by a strict interpretation of the law the buyer (assuming no carry permit) is in illegal possession once he takes possession as your home is not an exempt location for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StankMoney 0 Posted July 15, 2014 Thanks howard. I guess that does make the most sense, and kind of confirm my initial thoughts. Now, I just gotta find a buyer haha. Thanks all for your responses Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted July 15, 2014 Best place is a location where in NJ it is legal for both buyer AND seller to possess the gun. Thus a range or a gun store is the best place. Strictly speaking there is no reason you need to tell the place what you are doing. If you sell it in your garage, then by a strict interpretation of the law the buyer (assuming no carry permit) is in illegal possession once he takes possession as your home is not an exempt location for him. 2C:39-6 Exemptions. e.Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location. EDIT: In the extremely rare event that the buyer gets pulled over AND has his/her vehicle searched, he/she is still 100% legal under even our stupid laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Burns 16 Posted July 15, 2014 Thanks howard. I guess that does make the most sense, and kind of confirm my initial thoughts. Now, I just gotta find a buyer haha. Thanks all for your responses What are you selling? Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted July 15, 2014 Most ironic place ever? Target parking lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StankMoney 0 Posted July 15, 2014 Oh wow Alpo, I guess that does make sense. Awesome. Never really read it like that... Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StankMoney 0 Posted July 15, 2014 I don't want to advertise the sale in here, in case it's against the rules. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to know more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,777 Posted July 15, 2014 Most ironic place ever? Target parking lot. Post of the week! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted July 15, 2014 I don't want to advertise the sale in here, in case it's against the rules. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to know more. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?app=classifieds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted July 15, 2014 There's a section for classifieds, there's a minor charge for selling firearms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StankMoney 0 Posted July 15, 2014 http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?app=classifiedsI am not allowed to post in there yet haha. A few weeks shy of being here a year, and I was a lurker, not a poster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted July 15, 2014 2C:39-6 Exemptions. e.Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location. EDIT: In the extremely rare event that the buyer gets pulled over AND has his/her vehicle searched, he/she is still 100% legal under even our stupid laws. Never new about the any place of purchase - thanks for pointing that out. Gotta love our laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted July 15, 2014 Never new about the any place of purchase - thanks for pointing that out. Gotta love our laws. Well yeah, if by love you mean.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted July 15, 2014 Parking lot and I bring a friend. No, I don't bring two friends. If it's that sketchy, I'm the one to worry about j/k Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted July 15, 2014 I am not allowed to post in there yet haha. A few weeks shy of being here a year, and I was a lurker, not a poster I believe with the newer marketplace you really don't have to wait since you pay the fee, Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted July 15, 2014 I'm a little Leary of bringing in a stranger to my home., I've had the same transaction as Howard. Either inside my garage (and I am armed). Or at the table on my back deck. I have met at RTSP a few times and made the transaction. Never a problem yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSD1026 48 Posted July 15, 2014 Well yeah, if by love you mean.... yeah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StankMoney 0 Posted July 15, 2014 I believe with the newer marketplace you really don't have to wait since you pay the fee, Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Tells me I don't have permission to start topics in that forum :shrug: Also, glad to see I'm not the only one who's a bit uncomfortable selling out of my house. I just feel like that's potentially asking for trouble... Cars and bikes I've done from my house, but that's altogether different... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 826 Posted July 15, 2014 Tells me I don't have permission to start topics in that forum :shrug: Also, glad to see I'm not the only one who's a bit uncomfortable selling out of my house. I just feel like that's potentially asking for trouble... Cars and bikes I've done from my house, but that's altogether different... Why? You will have a copy of the buyers information. The people that take the time to actually go get a p2p are not the ones you need to worry about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StankMoney 0 Posted July 15, 2014 Why? You will have a copy of the buyers information. The people that take the time to actually go get a p2p are not the ones you need to worry about.I understand that, and I understand that legal gun owners are not the ones that should concern me, blah blah. I'd rather just not have people come to my house at all, unless there's no other option. I dunno, I guess I don't really have an explanation? The fact that I don't know who the heck I'm giving my name and address to over the Internet always bugged me a bit. And then telling them there's firearms in my house also makes me nervous... Suppose I fall in the "tinfoil" crowd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted July 15, 2014 It's not a crowd, it's a club. Welcome to the club. There is no group of people that is even 90% trustworthy by headcount. Nobody is coming to my house either. You can say he has this or is willing to fill out that but all scams and all attacks involve subterfuge. All security is physical first and foremost. Once you are a decent guy it's a parking lot and I'm bringing a friend. If it was Jersey it would be a range for me since I couldn't carry elsewhere for the most part. It just comes down to personal preference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 826 Posted July 15, 2014 It's not a crowd, it's a club. Welcome to the club. There is no group of people that is even 90% trustworthy by headcount. Nobody is coming to my house either. You can say he has this or is willing to fill out that but all scams and all attacks involve subterfuge. All security is physical first and foremost. Once you are a decent guy it's a parking lot and I'm bringing a friend. If it was Jersey it would be a range for me since I couldn't carry elsewhere for the most part. It just comes down to personal preference. You can't carry at a range in NJ, if that makes any sense. Nor can you rapid fire, double tap, or draw from a holster. That's reserved for the privileged only. Our ranges are as bad as our laws. At least you are legal to carry a your firearm in your garage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jpknj 6 Posted July 16, 2014 Are we legal to carry in our place of business? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StankMoney 0 Posted July 16, 2014 Even being allowed to carry in your house doesn't mean you are, by any means, going to be OK legally if you have to defend yourself... At least if you're at a range, where there's a dozen people and dozens of guns, I think it would be a deterrent... And again, I never need to give my address out to someone I can't even see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites