Beard502 0 Posted July 16, 2014 Hi! New user here. I'm thinking of applying for an FID, but have a question regarding questions 24 and 26. Long story short I very briefly went to a mental health clinic and an outpatient service for depression. As it turns out it was my parents with the mental health issues and I was just along for the ride, but now its on my record. This was all over 15 years ago and I really don't know the names of any doctors or even what year it was that I was there. What is my best course of action to get my application through smoothly? Do I need a psychiatrist and a lawyer? If so, can anyone recommend one in the Woodbridge area? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tango Charlie 0 Posted July 16, 2014 If you want to see a psychologist just to clear yourself and cover all of your bases check out the Institute for Forensic Psychology. They perform psychiatric evaluations for all police officers. If you pass it then you're good to go as far as any mental health issues. I know that people have a lot of opinions about this but be honest. You don't want to look like you're lying or hiding something. If you lie, or seem to be lying, on the forms then you are committing an offense (iirc). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beard502 0 Posted July 16, 2014 Yeah, that was my concern. I don't want to seem like I'm leaving off information on purpose. I would also prefer not to have to hire a lawyer, get an expungement, and all that nonsense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Eater 0 Posted July 16, 2014 In order to answer no to the mental health questions... you need to get an expungment. Only way to find out if you have anything on file besides gettings a nics denial is to contact the county administrator in the county you were seen in and see if they have anything on you. Trust me my huddy is doing an expungment now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted July 16, 2014 In order to answer no to the mental health questions... you need to get an expungment. Only way to find out if you have anything on file besides gettings a nics denial is to contact the county administrator in the county you were seen in and see if they have anything on you. Trust me my huddy is doing an expungment now An expungment is to clear your record of an arrest and/or conviction. In the case of the FPID or P2P it would be for a conviction. You can't "expunge" a commitment to a mental health facility or the fact that you were treated at one time. You can, as TC suggests, be examined and get a clean bill of health, which will satisfy most entities involved with the FPID/P2P process. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beard502 0 Posted July 16, 2014 I called the Institute for Forensic Psychology. Looks like they want just about $1000 if they'll even do it (the doctor needs to decide). Aynone have any cheaper suggestions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
intercooler 41 Posted July 16, 2014 Was it court ordered? In not its irrelavant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beard502 0 Posted July 16, 2014 No, I went voluntarily and my parents signed me in. Does that mean i check "no"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Eater 0 Posted July 16, 2014 An expungment is to clear your record of an arrest and/or conviction. In the case of the FPID or P2P it would be for a conviction. You can't "expunge" a commitment to a mental health facility or the fact that you were treated at one time. You can, as TC suggests, be examined and get a clean bill of health, which will satisfy most entities involved with the FPID/P2P process. Adios, Pizza Bob You absolutely can have an expungment of a mental health record. http://www.njexpungements.com/mentalhealthrecords.php i sat in the court room when my buddies was denied. Now he is appealing the decision. A doctors note will get you your fid/pp but you cant buy from a dealer. Only private purchases. Call a lawyer and get a real answer... to many clueless people here. He used Jef Henninger and the expungement cost 2000 bucks and thr psych for the eval was 900. Just for the denial Hope I.helped Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Eater 0 Posted July 16, 2014 Fyi if the county adjuster says yes you do have records then it will come up with a nics check. And even if you have that doctors note the chief can still deny for public safety. Thats per trooper Kelly at the NJSP firearms unit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beard502 0 Posted July 16, 2014 So if nothing comes up in an NCIS check I should be good to go then? Do I specifically need to talk to the county adjuster in the county of the treatment facility or wouldmy local county adjuster be able to do it? Sorry if I seem dense. I just don't want to screw this up and cause unnecessary problems or even legal trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted July 16, 2014 simple, join ANJRPC for $40 and consult one of the free lawyers they have posted on their site. http://www.anjrpc.org/?page=legal_advice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted July 16, 2014 I stand corrected. Who knew? What a bunch of BS. Because his parents thought he was sad when he was a kid, he now faces a $3K bill so that he can legally buy a gun. Wow, just wow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
intercooler 41 Posted July 16, 2014 No, I went voluntarily and my parents signed me in. Does that mean i check "no"?Yup. It's for court ordered of involuntary only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted July 16, 2014 Yup. It's for court ordered of involuntary only That helps with question 24. But I think the greater concern is question 26 - the "catch all" question. If any applicant, even as a minor, was seen or treated by a doctor for any "psychiatric condition" (which may not necessarily be a "defined" illness/disorder), they might have to answer "yes," here. For example, an ADHD kid that gets put on Ritalin but goes off of it when they graduate HS... Now I have no idea how the authorities could verify that (unless the HS psychiatric records are forwarded to the "county adjustor's office," or somehow they were able to acquire the pharmacy records), but I'm thinking that the LE depts are counting on the fear of being caught in a falsehood for the true answers to that question... And of course, any dept. that's "anti" would immediately use that for "denial." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
intercooler 41 Posted July 16, 2014 Nope, the answer in both instances is NO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Eater 0 Posted July 16, 2014 So if nothing comes up in an NCIS check I should be good to go then? Do I specifically need to talk to the county adjuster in the county of the treatment facility or wouldmy local county adjuster be able to do it? Sorry if I seem dense. I just don't want to screw this up and cause unnecessary problems or even legal trouble. Contact thr adjuster where you got treatment. My buddies happened when he was 12 and hes a leo and was still denied... so take that to thought also Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TR20 47 Posted July 17, 2014 So if nothing comes up in an NCIS check I should be good to go then? Do I specifically need to talk to the county adjuster in the county of the treatment facility or wouldmy local county adjuster be able to do it? Sorry if I seem dense. I just don't want to screw this up and cause unnecessary problems or even legal trouble. This may be true but it is a very dangerous way to pass the "litmus test". NJSP has a policy to investigate 100% of NICS denials. This comes right out of Evan Nappen's book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted July 17, 2014 I stand corrected. Who knew? What a bunch of BS. Because his parents thought he was sad when he was a kid, he now faces a $3K bill so that he can legally buy a gun. Wow, just wow. They actually "thought of the children," and now this is what happens. Beats the alternative, IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Eater 0 Posted July 18, 2014 They actually "thought of the children," and now this is what happens. Beats the alternative, IMO.The issue is that regardless of age or time frame they will always hold it against you. My buddy was 12 and his mom dropped him off at rwj saying he wanted to kill himself... his dad came and grabbed him 3 hours later... and now hes screwed.. his dept didnt care but under the mental health reform hes fucked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites