Midwest 28 Posted August 16, 2014 Back in 1983 I purchased a pellet rifle from the Paramus store, having only been my 4th or 5th gun purchase since I got my first FID card I was kind of new to the whole stupid process, especially for a pellet rifle. well now about 30 years later I find out the knucklehead behind the counter actually did a "voluntary" registration form and now that pellet rifle is on my file of all the pistols I purchased in NJ. the last thing anybody wants is a registered gun and these knuckleheads did it. How did you find out about it 30 years later? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jfoster99 80 Posted August 16, 2014 I tried another FFL to see about selling me a rifle with an out of state Drivers lic. He agreed it was not illegal according to the ATF but said he did not know of a way to process the NJ NICS to get it approved. Bottom line he said it was not illegal just unobtainable. He was trying to be helpful and felt he did investigate it. He even said I could have the the rifle sent to him but was afraid if may get stuck if he was unable to get a NICS authorization. I don't know what is involved with processing a NICS check so I'm not sure where to go from here. I may have to wait until I am down in FL for the winter to process this. In another thread we discussed getting a NJ boaters Lic and perhaps that could be used instead of a drivers lic to complete the NICS check? Any thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted August 16, 2014 How did you find out about it 30 years later? Maybe he found the form somewhere in his stuff? Or maybe he sold it and it was used in a crime and BATFE and NJSP wasted thousands of dollars tracking down the pellet gun smuggler? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted August 16, 2014 I tried another FFL to see about selling me a rifle with an out of state Drivers lic. He agreed it was not illegal according to the ATF but said he did not know of a way to process the NJ NICS to get it approved. Bottom line he said it was not illegal just unobtainable. He was trying to be helpful and felt he did investigate it. He even said I could have the the rifle sent to him but was afraid if may get stuck if he was unable to get a NICS authorization. I don't know what is involved with processing a NICS check so I'm not sure where to go from here. I may have to wait until I am down in FL for the winter to process this. In another thread we discussed getting a NJ boaters Lic and perhaps that could be used instead of a drivers lic to complete the NICS check? Any thoughts? For NJ NICS I thought you needed a valid NJ DL or non-driver ID? The whole thing is screwed up, I've seen people from PA buy long guns in NJ with a PA DL before from a FFL so maybe try phoning a couple other FFL's and asking them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted August 16, 2014 Paul, didn't you ever sell to non NJ buyers when you had the south Jersey shop? If the OP has a FL license could he pay for the rifle, get the FFL in NJ to ship it to ANOTHER FFL (in PA) and he could just go to PA and use his FL DL to complete the transfer? as long as the gun is compliant he could bring it right back over the bridge to NJ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted August 16, 2014 Rather than repeat, check out THIS THREAD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOG 7 Posted August 16, 2014 Huh.....something stinks ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted August 16, 2014 Huh.....something stinks ! Hmmm.... New Jersey has pick and choose laws ! You should have been allowed to purchase the gun if you have a firearms ID with your NJ address on it. I would go to another store and spend my money. if I was the OP, I would do the same...go to another store and buy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted August 16, 2014 And NJSP issues out of state Firearm ID Cards? really??? Man, NJ must be hurting for money esp. with whats going on in Atlantic City. If you have two homes, have a small collection in each home...NJ compliant collection up here and whatever you have the bucks for at the FL home. EDIT: You only need a FPID to purchase a firearm if you reside in NJ, so why can't the OP just have the NJ seller (FFL) ship the rile to a PA FFL and complete the transfer over in PA? If he is not a felon and has a valid FL DL he isn't violating any federal aws regarding a long gun transfer and a FPID isn't required to have that AR in NJ as long as it's compliant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted August 16, 2014 Rather than repeat, check out THIS THREAD. Paul, what I suggested isn't illegal, I called a NJ FFL and asked but if OP wants that rifle bad enough he should try doing a transfer in PA, wait until he is in FL again, or just apply for the out of state FPID. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOG 7 Posted August 16, 2014 I would agree with PK90. There are two different threads running here. One bashing Ramsey's and the other appears to be trying to circumvent requirements. Unless I missed something ? That's why I said " Huh something stinks" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted August 16, 2014 I would agree with PK90. There are two different threads running here. One bashing Ramsey's and the other appears to be trying to circumvent requirements. Unless I missed something ? That's why I said " Huh something stinks" The link wasn't showing on my phone that PK90 posted, came up on the laptop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted August 17, 2014 Jeff, just get your NJ boat license. Its 8 hours of classroom time once in your life and your done forever. Get the license in hand and buy your guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted August 17, 2014 I tried another FFL to see about selling me a rifle with an out of state Drivers lic. He agreed it was not illegal according to the ATF but said he did not know of a way to process the NJ NICS to get it approved. Bottom line he said it was not illegal just unobtainable. He was trying to be helpful and felt he did investigate it. He even said I could have the the rifle sent to him but was afraid if may get stuck if he was unable to get a NICS authorization. I don't know what is involved with processing a NICS check so I'm not sure where to go from here. I may have to wait until I am down in FL for the winter to process this. In another thread we discussed getting a NJ boaters Lic and perhaps that could be used instead of a drivers lic to complete the NICS check? Any thoughts? The issue is that the NJSP NICS unit's main way to ID you in their system in your SBI and DL numbers, if their is an issue with either of those, you won't get an approval. I wouldn't know how to get an approval using a FL DL and a NJ FPID, their may be a way to do it, but I've never tried. A NJ boat license would probably work, but I've never tried that either. I had a guy last week buy a rifle and his PD had reversed two numbers on his SBI number. NICS put him into pending until he showed up with a new correct FPID card. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dman2112 6 Posted August 17, 2014 Just buy in PA. Transfer and all. Your still in the black Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted August 17, 2014 they probably saved you by not allowing you to buy a $3200 AR... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted August 18, 2014 they probably saved you by not allowing you to buy a $3200 AR...^^^^^this!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
