svt3183 14 Posted September 6, 2014 I shot my Adams Arms piston upper for the first time last week and only ran about 100 rounds through it due to an issue with the handguard. When cleaning for the first time today i had metal shavings in the upper and on the BCG. It looks like it's coming from the charging handle and where it hooks on to the side of the upper is all chewed up looking. Does this indicate an action issue (carrier tilt?), or is it just a shitty CH? The CH came with the upper, i don't know the maker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted September 7, 2014 Call Adams and complain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 I can call them during the week but I am curious for opinions of what the issue is. If it's just a shitty CH i wound't be too concerned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted September 7, 2014 On a piston gun? Impossible. Everything is fine. Carry on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 On a piston gun? Impossible. Everything is fine. Carry on. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 OP are you sure the ch is 100% straight Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 Appears straight and doesn't feel like it binds at all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 Is there another place that metal is wearing on your upper? Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 Doesn't appear that anywhere else is wearing. The charging handle is noticably chewed up where it hooks the upper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted September 7, 2014 Pictures, please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 Pictures, please? Yes. Do you mean the place where the latch keeps the charging handle in place? That sounds like a weird place for wear. Are you sling shotting to chamber a round or using the bolt release? Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 you can see it is in two spots, however the closer spot in the pic is much more worn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 using bolt release Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted September 7, 2014 If it was a DI gun, I would say it is a crappy charging handle - probably out of spec and using crappy aluminum and advise to replace it. But since it is a piston gun - which apparantly never fail and have a mandatory life expectancy of parts approaching infinity rounds, I have to say that it must have been designed to be like that. Don't sweat it, and trust the piston. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 Please stop cluttering the thread with DI vs piston babble. I have a DI AR too and there's plenty of other threads debating them. If it was a DI gun, I would say it is a crappy charging handle - probably out of spec and using crappy aluminum and advise to replace it. But since it is a piston gun - which apparantly never fail and have a mandatory life expectancy of parts approaching infinity rounds, I have to say that it must have been designed to be like that. Don't sweat it, and trust the piston. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 It does just look like a cheap CH. If there are no burrs or wear on the upper id take the opportunity to buy a bcm or raptor (my fave) charging handle. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 thanks. That was my assumption too, but i don't claim to be anything close to an expert. I've wanted a raptor anyway so maybe it's time. It does just look like a cheap CH. If there are no burrs or wear on the upper id take the opportunity to buy a bcm or raptor (my fave) charging handle. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 There were good deals For labor day on them but its probably too late. 60 I think was the price Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 damn where was that? I don't think i've ever seen them under $80. There were good deals For labor day on them but its probably too late. 60 I think was the price Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 damn where was that? I don't think i've ever seen them under $80. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk DSG arms and primary arms do it all the time. But next one is probably black Friday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 Thanks I'll keep an eye out Sent from my XT1080 using TapatalkDSG arms and primary arms do it all the time. But next one is probably black Friday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 Not for nothing the bcm ones are good to go also and half the price Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 Yeah, always liked the raptor though. This fortis looks nice: http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=4050 Will need to look into it more. Not for nothing the bcm ones are good to go also and half the price Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted September 7, 2014 I concur it is a probably a cheap charging handle. Replace it. However, I would still call Adams Arms and say "wtf people?" Also, don't buy charging handles for looks, buy them for function. That Fortis charging handle may or may not work, I have no idea, but it sure was machined for looks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted September 7, 2014 Please stop cluttering the thread with DI vs piston babble. I have a DI AR too and there's plenty of other threads debating them. You are right. I apologize for cluttering your thread. I was feeling a little froggy after the recent piston AR thread. In any event, do what Vlad said. Contact AA, ask them "WTF?" Then go buy a quality charging handle. I personally prefer the BCM gunfighter mod 4 (medium latch). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 I emailed them last night, I'll see what they say. I'm still looking into the Fortis, but everything i read so far is really positive. I don't know Fortis to make junk in general. I concur it is a probably a cheap charging handle. Replace it. However, I would still call Adams Arms and say "wtf people?" Also, don't buy charging handles for looks, buy them for function. That Fortis charging handle may or may not work, I have no idea, but it sure was machined for looks. No problem. Thanks, still deciding which way to go. You are right. I apologize for cluttering your thread. I was feeling a little froggy after the recent piston AR thread. In any event, do what Vlad said. Contact AA, ask them "WTF?" Then go buy a quality charging handle. I personally prefer the BCM gunfighter mod 4 (medium latch). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 I still don't know how that handle you had got that worn. You always push the ch closed before you hit the bolt release right? I can't believe its getting that chewed up just from pushing it closed relatively easily. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svt3183 14 Posted September 7, 2014 Yes. That was my original concern; could something with the action of the BCG be not normal and putting extra stress on the CH. I still don't know how that handle you had got that worn. You always push the ch closed before you hit the bolt release right? I can't believe its getting that chewed up just from pushing it closed relatively easily. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 Not that I can think of to induce wear in that spot. The carrier "slides" along the underside of the ch but it really shouldnt touch. If bent the ch would show lots of wear on either side of the ch. I can see that part getting f'ed up if you're releasing the bcg with the handle pulled out. I mean it has to be really crappy metal. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted September 7, 2014 That's mine after a few thousand rounds. Minimal wear in that same spot an no noticeable in the other spot. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites