interesting article on brass vs steel I just read

[Lightfighter124 3]

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/

[High Exposure 5,661]

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/66051-steel-case-ammo-in-your-ar/?fromsearch=1

[RUTGERS95 890]

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/66051-steel-case-ammo-in-your-ar/?fromsearch=1

lol

[gleninjersey 2,139]

Most of the wear on the barrel came from the projectile and the casings itself played very little role. For the cost concious / thrifty shooter it would seem a soft coated copper bullet in steel case (with powder that burned best/provides optimum pressure) would be ideal. Does such ammo exists?

[pbkid6974 1]

Most of the wear on the barrel came from the projectile and the casings itself played very little role. For the cost concious / thrifty shooter it would seem a soft coated copper bullet in steel case (with powder that burned best/provides optimum pressure) would be ideal. Does such ammo exists?

no. shoot the cheapest stuff that runs in your gun. the money you save over the life of your barrel shooting bimetal jackets will buy you a new barrel when you need it.

[gleninjersey 2,139]

no. shoot the cheapest stuff that runs in your gun. the money you save over the life of your barrel shooting bimetal jackets will buy you a new barrel when you need it.

I hear ya'.  It would be interesting to see if any of the steel case producers use some of the findings from this to market a new "improved" steel case that gets you too that sweet spot of reduced ammo (upfront costs) and security of knowing that even though their new "improved" ammo is stilll "cheaper than brass" that it's not going to beat up your barrel (expected costs). 

 

I can see the slogan now...."Cheaper than brass but shoot to last!". 

[Lightfighter124 3]

When I posted this and got the usual smart ass link to where a similar discussion took place I ignored it because no one had the data that was accrued during this experiment regardless of how long they've been in the forums/owned guns/served/old they were. I was interested in the findings not the opinions so I shared. That being said, I wasn't too concerned with the barrel wear, I Wad interested to know how the other parts handled the stress. I know I will eventually have to replace the barrel. It's a wear item just like tires or brakes. I'm getting my ad to bed before the percocet wears off. Good night all

[High Exposure 5,661]

I was not being a smartass. I was trying to be helpful.

 

You posted a link with no opinion or comment. That link directed users to an article by LuckyGunner that was previously posted and discussed. I was pointing to you more information in a thread that has a link to the exact same article in its third post, and a place to discuss said article if you were so inclined.

 

If you wanted a seperate thread to inquire about particular or specific information pertaining to the data that was in the LuckyGunner article, you could have typed a sentence or two stating that to start a discussion.

 

Feel better.

[gleninjersey 2,139]

no. shoot the cheapest stuff that runs in your gun. the money you save over the life of your barrel shooting bimetal jackets will buy you a new barrel when you need it.

Or use it as an excuse as to why you have to buld another one!

 

I found the article very interesting, informative and written in a manner that even newer shooters, such as myself, can understand and appreciate. Thanks for sharing it.

[Lightfighter124 3]

I was not being a smartass. I was trying to be helpful.

You posted a link with no opinion or comment. That link directed users to an article by LuckyGunner that was previously posted and discussed. I was pointing to you more information in a thread that has a link to the exact same article in its third post, and a place to discuss said article if you were so inclined.

If you wanted a seperate thread to inquire about particular or specific information pertaining to the data that was in the LuckyGunner article, you could have typed a sentence or two stating that to start a discussion.

Feel better.

So my Lack Of Opinion was a factor? Understood and thank you for your wishes for try health to improve.

[High Exposure 5,661]

The reason I posted a link to the other thread is that you gave no indication what your intent for this post was. You posted a link. No description, no comment, no indication for the way you wanted the post that you began to continue.

 

Where you asking for opinions on the results of the article?

 

Where you simply sharing info?

 

Where you trying to start a conversation on the merits and deficiencies of brass or steel?

 

Was the link a "proof" of your stance in the steel v brass debate?

 

Where you asking for more information on the topic?

 

There was no way to know. I just figured that pointing you to a previous discussion with the same link would be most helpful.

 

The link I posted also lets anyone who looks at your post know that there is more info, with an actual discussion on the topic, elsewhere on the forum and maybe any questions or comments they have would be better suited there.

[Respect2A 0]

The reason I posted a link to the other thread is that you gave no indication what your intent for this post was. You posted a link. No description, no comment, no indication for the way you wanted the post that you began to continue.

 

Where you asking for opinions on the results of the article?

 

Where you simply sharing info?

 

Where you trying to start a conversation on the merits and deficiencies of brass or steel?

 

Was the link a "proof" of your stance in the steel v brass debate?

 

Where you asking for more information on the topic?

 

There was no way to know. I just figured that pointing you to a previous discussion with the same link would be most helpful.

 

The link I posted also lets anyone who looks at your post know that there is more info, with an actual discussion on the topic, elsewhere on the forum and maybe any questions or comments they have would be better suited there.

You remind me of Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. A tactical version. Ha

[Vlad G 345]

The problem is not steel case, it is steel jackets. Hornady makes match ammo in steel cases which I think they source from Wolf, but they use quality powder and bullets and people win matches with it in match barrels which do not wear out prematurely.

[Lightfighter124 3]

The reason I posted a link to the other thread is that you gave no indication what your intent for this post was. You posted a link. No description, no comment, no indication for the way you wanted the post that you began to continue.

Where you asking for opinions on the results of the article?

Where you simply sharing info?

Where you trying to start a conversation on the merits and deficiencies of brass or steel?

Was the link a "proof" of your stance in the steel v brass debate?

Where you asking for more information on the topic?

There was no way to know. I just figured that pointing you to a previous discussion with the same link would be most helpful.

The link I posted also lets anyone who looks at your post know that there is more info, with an actual discussion on the topic, elsewhere on the forum and maybe any questions or comments they have would be better suited there.

I was simply sharing info.

I have no Official stance on brass vs steel. I have used steel, I have used brass. I stuck with brass mainly because it gives me options. I can keep it to someday reload, or to trade/sell it for more bullets.

[High Exposure 5,661]

You remind me of Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. A tactical version. Ha

That's pretty funny

[pbkid6974 1]

I hear ya'.  It would be interesting to see if any of the steel case producers use some of the findings from this to market a new "improved" steel case that gets you too that sweet spot of reduced ammo (upfront costs) and security of knowing that even though their new "improved" ammo is stilll "cheaper than brass" that it's not going to beat up your barrel (expected costs). 

 

I can see the slogan now...."Cheaper than brass but shoot to last!". 

the issue with steel case ammo is most of it is loaded with dirty powder and bimetal jacketed bullets. the steel case has nothing to do with wearing the barrel in my opinion. the faster barrel wear comes from the harder jacket. the stoppages (stuck cases, FTE, FTF etc.) come from the dirtier powder. in my opinion the pros of steel cased ammo far outweigh the cons so that is what i usually buy. the fact that i can shoot cheaper (more often) and actually may get a chance to work through an occasional stoppage(i've actually never had one with steel or brass cased ammo that i didn't set up on purpose to practice) in a calm controlled setting, i feel makes me better equipped to work through a problem if i ever need to under stress.

 

i think the quality of your gear plays more of a part in the stoppages than the ammo you choose. i've seen more cheap guns choke on quality brass case ammo than quality gun choke on cheap steel case. i don't baby my gun and haven't cleaned it in well over 1500 rounds and like i said, i've never had a stoppage i didn't create to practice.

[mipafox 438]

Stoppages with steel case ammo in AR-15s is primarily due to lack of obituration and resultant high temperature chamber gas leakage.

 

I read that article about barrel wear when it came out. I choose to take it seriously. I have a Colt CMP 1/12 barrel with 25,000 rounds through it by me and countless unknown rounds by the guy before me. The rifling looks like it was cut yesterday. I have another just like it with the wick still in the barrel. If you shoot frankenguns and "just as good" then maybe you expect to replace barrels every 10K rounds. Not everybody does.

[Lightfighter124 3]

I bought a DPMS Oracle that I had Remixer modify and since the very first round has not had a single failure of any kind. I've fired exactly 1360 rounds through it and fired tula, wolf steel and gold, Federal, ppu, American Eagle, Remington, pmc, winchester white box, herters steel and brass, ultramax reman and freedom munitions. Not a single fte, ftf or any cycling issues. Zero. I still chose brass to keep the cases. I have mousy of it. Couldn't crowd the line at range 14 to collect the rest. Also fired brass and steel on my XDM and only had initial issues due to limp wristing. And wolf steel proved too dirty and inaccurate at 200yds on my Remington 700. The powder and sealant used on the primer clogged my extractor which was replaced. Note on that, I've seen and been told the extractors on the 700 fail. Personal experience so far taught me that carbon build up behind the extractor is the problem, not the extractor.

[Kaiser7 33]

So my Lack Of Opinion was a factor? Understood and thank you for your wishes for try health to improve.

 

 

The reason I posted a link to the other thread is that you gave no indication what your intent for this post was. You posted a link. No description, no comment, no indication for the way you wanted the post that you began to continue.

 

Where you asking for opinions on the results of the article?

 

Where you simply sharing info?

 

Where you trying to start a conversation on the merits and deficiencies of brass or steel?

 

Was the link a "proof" of your stance in the steel v brass debate?

 

Where you asking for more information on the topic?

 

There was no way to know. I just figured that pointing you to a previous discussion with the same link would be most helpful.

 

The link I posted also lets anyone who looks at your post know that there is more info, with an actual discussion on the topic, elsewhere on the forum and maybe any questions or comments they have would be better suited there.

 

 

Truth be told, I personally appreciate when old topics are brought back up (At least when they're not the typical AK vs AR, or 9mm vs .45 Pissing matches). Not like I would have necessarily thought to search this topic up, and I really enjoyed the article. I probably wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

 

Either way, I have to admit, as dumb as it is, I never really thought of a barrel as a wear item. I KNEW it was, but I always figured it was 50,000rds or more (And the way I shoot, it might be). I was surprised by the results, I would have expected the harder casings of the steel ammo to wear the headspace faster, but they seemed comparable. 

 

Anyway, anyone want to go in on patenting steel-cased copper jacketed ammo with me? We'll split the money!

[Vlad G 345]

Anyway, anyone want to go in on patenting steel-cased copper jacketed ammo with me? We'll split the money!

 

Too late: http://www.hornady.com/store/Steel-Match

[Kaiser7 33]

Too late: http://www.hornady.com/store/Steel-Match

Damn. I had an idea about 8 years ago for making shot-shells with an epoxy or resin that would keep the pellets tighter together for a little while. Never did anything with it, and while perusing some catalog, I saw Winchester was selling the same thing. I probably could have beaten them to the punch if I weren't in high school at the time, and had the money for R&D and patenting.

[Lightfighter124 3]

And I wanted to buy stocks in TYCO when I was in high school because I thought R/C cars were awesome. The same year that Tickle me Elmo came out. Guess who made them. TYCO! I was just as underfunded and unaware as you and neither of us is rich. Well, I'm not. Don't know about you.