Carcano 14 Posted September 26, 2014 http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ak-74-bulgarian-standard-rifle-waffen-werks-detail.html?Itemid=0 I called them and they said they can make it NJ legal w/ pinned brake and remove the bayonet lugs. Also looking at the N-PAP they have. Legal? it says "AK-74" on the receiver. Anyone in South Jersey that will transfer it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
intercooler 41 Posted September 26, 2014 If it says ak74 I would not risk it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 956 Posted September 26, 2014 If it is stamped "AK" It is no legal in New Jersey! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonG 0 Posted September 26, 2014 I thought a MAK 90 was legal in NJ mAK ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted September 26, 2014 If it is stamped "AK" It is no legal in New Jersey! OK...OK! Do you know of any 5.45 AK's that would be good to go? I sold my SAR-1 so I'm looking for a Yugo N-PAP in 7.62 and another AK in 5.45 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted September 26, 2014 Here is one: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ak74-rifle-interarms-iac-74-poly-detail.html?Itemid=0 Stamped "IAC-74" Thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
intercooler 41 Posted September 26, 2014 Mak 90 is not an ak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted September 26, 2014 Interarms has a poor reputation in the AK world. There are Saigas out there converted by Atlantic Arms. They are excellent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted September 26, 2014 Interarms has a poor reputation in the AK world. There are Saigas out there converted by Atlantic Arms. They are excellent. I know the Saigas are great, shot a converted one a liked it but for the price $$$ it's off the list. I can't see why the Bulgarian stamped AK-74 is a no-go, two guys are willing to transfer it and based on Title 13, Chapter 54 (NJSP website) all "Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms" are banned (ie WASR, SAR, etc. which are already sold in NJ) so the AK-74 stamp shouldn't make any difference. If the guys in black shiny shoes come for the rifle, they can have it back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted September 26, 2014 The bulgarian stamped rifles are fine (except in 223, where there are known feeding issues). It is the quality of the conversion that I am talking about, not the base rifle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted September 27, 2014 I know the Saigas are great, shot a converted one a liked it but for the price $$$ it's off the list. I can't see why the Bulgarian stamped AK-74 is a no-go, two guys are willing to transfer it and based on Title 13, Chapter 54 (NJSP website) all "Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms" are banned (ie WASR, SAR, etc. which are already sold in NJ) so the AK-74 stamp shouldn't make any difference. If the guys in black shiny shoes come for the rifle, they can have it back. with all due respect brother... They gonna come for the rifle ... And they are gonna come for you ... is that really worth the risk ? there are plenty of options without AK being stamped on the receiver ... MAK is the only AK based rifle that was deemed legal by NJ court ... and that's after the owner was charged with possession of illegal firearm, went through hell and spent a lot of money ... any volunteers for going through that again ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted September 27, 2014 with all due respect brother... They gonna come for the rifle ... And they are gonna come for you ... is that really worth the risk ? there are plenty of options without AK being stamped on the receiver ... MAK is the only AK based rifle that was deemed legal by NJ court ... and that's after the owner was charged with possession of illegal firearm, went through hell and spent a lot of money ... any volunteers for going through that again ? There are enough vendors here that feel confident selling AK pattern rifles. Their butts are on the line as well. I have seen the State Police inspectors in Shore Shot when they have WASRs and Saigas hanging on the wall. I understand being conservative with respect to NJ gun laws, but do you think your stance is extreme? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted September 27, 2014 There are enough vendors here that feel confident selling AK pattern rifles. Their butts are on the line as well. I have seen the State Police inspectors in Shore Shot when they have WASRs and Saigas hanging on the wall. I understand being conservative with respect to NJ gun laws, but do you think your stance is extreme? well that's why I said >> there are a lot of other options for AK style rifles without AK being stamped on the receiver .... I don't have an issue with WASRs (owned one), SAIGAs (owned one) and such , but he keeps saying that "AK-74" is stamped on the receiver of the rifle he wants ... and THAT I think is an issue in NJ .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted September 27, 2014 At this point, I'm not touching anything stamped "AK" it it puts me on the edge. Again, the "N-PAP" with no lug and pinned brake I feel should be fine as it's the same as a WASR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted September 27, 2014 N-PAP and O-PAP are nice rifles. Just know that they don't take standard AK furniture. I think it is the thicker steel used than a normal stamped AK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted September 27, 2014 well that's why I said >> there are a lot of other options for AK style rifles without AK being stamped on the receiver .... I don't have an issue with WASRs (owned one), SAIGAs (owned one) and such , but he keeps saying that "AK-74" is stamped on the receiver of the rifle he wants ... and THAT I think is an issue in NJ .... Got it. I misunderstood your point. Thanks for clarifying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted September 27, 2014 N-PAP and O-PAP are nice rifles. Just know that they don't take standard AK furniture. I think it is the thicker steel used than a normal stamped AK. Yep, but damn they are nice shooters. The SAR-1 is also a great rifle but getting hard to find at a good price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted September 28, 2014 Nice AKs are pricey these days. You don't want to know how much my milled MAK90 cost. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c104/chrislunker/C5A50F20-16E1-43C7-A493-D060BD595571_zps0z3hfc2s.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted September 28, 2014 Nice AKs are pricey these days. You don't want to know how much my milled MAK90 cost. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c104/chrislunker/C5A50F20-16E1-43C7-A493-D060BD595571_zps0z3hfc2s.jpg Yep brother. Ever since that mess with Russia , a lot of the prices for AK style rifles got even more jacked up ... Freaking ridiculous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted September 28, 2014 Yep brother. Ever since that mess with Russia , a lot of the prices for AK style rifles got even more jacked up ... Freaking ridiculous I'm sure parts kits will still slip in, just like the Bulgarian Makarov pistols a lot of those were Russian but small changes made to hide them with the Bulgarian ones The whole thing with Russia isn't hurting the Romanian or Yugo rifles, but the Saigas are selling for 2-3 times what they were on some sites even after the Obama scare. Lesson learned, should have bought a dozen Saigas when they were ~$300 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pew Pew Plates 358 Posted September 29, 2014 The law says avtomat Kalashnikov type. Since when does AK have to stand for that. What if I interpret as being the awesome kittens 74 model. It's no more or less Kalashnikov than an mAK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted September 29, 2014 check out century centurion classic 39 with chrome lined barrel some of the vendors here can get them for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted September 29, 2014 check out century centurion classic 39 with chrome lined barrel some of the vendors here can get them for you. Thanks, I'll look into it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted September 29, 2014 The law says avtomat Kalashnikov type. Since when does AK have to stand for that. What if I interpret as being the awesome kittens 74 model. It's no more or less Kalashnikov than an mAK It's crazy, the SAR/WASR/ARSENAL AK rifles are OK but "AK-74" is pushing it. What a bunch of NJ bull/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted September 30, 2014 The law says avtomat Kalashnikov type. Since when does AK have to stand for that. What if I interpret as being the awesome kittens 74 model. It's no more or less Kalashnikov than an mAK c'mon brother U know better than trying to use common sense in NJ. U're living in PA for too long .. u forgot probably already plus MAK ruling wasn't about the name , it was about MAK not being an "assault weapon". again its about law interpretation and risks that come with it.... it mite be that nobody wud care , it mite be that they wud wanna make example out of somebody .... it mite be that the judge wud listen to common sense , it mite be that the judge is a pos and throws the book at the individual., too many uncertainties and too much money for my taste ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 177 Posted September 30, 2014 IMO, The bottom line is that the unconstitutional awb is still on the books and anyone here with an ebr could face prosecution at any time when it comes to "substantially identical ". It's all about the appetite of the prosecutor and AG to drag it through court. There are no consequences if they decide to ignore the NJAC , and I'm sure they have lots of excuses all set. The MAK case precedent is a defense tactic that could help. NJAC are just guidelines used to make consistent SOP's and current interpretations. It is a band-aid approach instead of fixing the law. It has mutated into a perversion if you ask me, a type of status quo between gun owners and the state. We get our ebr's and the state keeps their authority to turn on us at anytime they like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njdave 0 Posted October 3, 2014 Nj gun laws are feel good at best. Anything that says Ak or AR is bad. Any colt parts in an ar type rifle is bad. I've been told by a number of people from gun dealers to cops, if it says Ak or ar it's illegal, but if it says anything different the same rifle is now ok, as long as it has been properly neutered. Just another example of gun laws being made and passed by people who know nothing about guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted October 3, 2014 Nj gun laws are feel good at best. Anything that says Ak or AR is bad. Any colt parts in an ar type rifle is bad. I've been told by a number of people from gun dealers to cops, if it says Ak or ar it's illegal, but if it says anything different the same rifle is now ok, as long as it has been properly neutered. Just another example of gun laws being made and passed by people who know nothing about guns. The only NJ legal colt AR is the Target Match/H-BAR (letter can be found on the NJSP website). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD2K 115 Posted October 3, 2014 with all due respect brother... They gonna come for the rifle ... And they are gonna come for you ... is that really worth the risk ? there are plenty of options without AK being stamped on the receiver ... MAK is the only AK based rifle that was deemed legal by NJ court ... and that's after the owner was charged with possession of illegal firearm, went through hell and spent a lot of money ... any volunteers for going through that again ? You are 100% correct...why take the risk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted October 3, 2014 The only NJ legal colt AR is the Target Match/H-BAR (letter can be found on the NJSP website).All Colt ARS are legal as long as they are not substantially identical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites