FID Question

[cjr305 0]

First and foremost, I apologize for making yet another thread on this topic.  Despite being a new member, I have searched the topic, just nothing as specific to my application hence this post. Anyway, now that I have passed my NJ hunters education course in all disciplines, I would like to apply for my FID card. As with many others, question 26 will seemingly present an issue in my case however.

 

For a few months back in 2010 I saw a private psychiatrist for depression and anxiety. I NEVER had suicidal or homicidal ideation and was never treated in a psychiatric hospital. After this occurrence, I got a bachelor's degree in psychology and worked in the psychiatric field for slightly over a year (2012-2013) before deciding to go back to school and pursuing a career in a different field. I also intend to use the psychiatrist I worked with as a reference for my form. 

 

I know there are not any questions regarding educational experience or past careers, but, in having a reference in the psychiatric field, do you think I should roll the dice, despite my past treatment, and submit the application without any legal guidance and hire a lawyer if I get denied?

 

or

 

Should I hire an attorney before submitting anything?

 

Thank you. 

[Blacksmythe 71]

Why not ask the psych if he reported you for anything? If your going to use him as a reference it would seem you are on good terms.

[Inplainsight 6]

Thus is a tricky one. Lying on the application is a crime in itself.

 

Also, if you say yes then you might jeopardise your application.

 

If I were in your place, I'd hire an attorney and have them deal with the department. (I might speak with Jeff Henninger at http://njgunpermitattorney.com if I run into issues with my application. I have no clue if he is any good.)

 

Maybe someone on the board can recommend a good lawyer that they have worked with...

[cjr305 0]

Thanks for the replies. I've been on Jef Henninger's site a few times over the past few days. I am thinking about calling him tomorrow unless someone chimes in about another attorney or other advice.

 

Also, to clarify a little better, the psychiatrist I'm using as a reference is a different one than the one I saw back in 2010. The one I am using is the one I worked with when I was in the field after getting my degree.

 

 

Additionally, I have no intention of lying on the application and will be answering yes to question 26 knowing full well that it may be an issue. 

 

Another potential issue in my case is that while I remember the year of my visits to the psychiatrist's office, I do not recall the specific months and days which is also on the application. If I call his office, do you think they would still have this information on file somewhere? 

[This Guy 4]

Just answer yes, estimate the time period, and provide a letter from a physiologist indicating you are not suffering from a disability that would effect your ability to safely own firearms. It's in statute, you will not have any problems.

[Carcano 14]

Were you ever committed? if not I would check no on the box, if I remember correctly it's only if you were committed to a hospital.

 

If you are not sure call the New Jersey State Police Firearms Investigation Unit and ask, or better yet contact an attorney before submitting anything to the local or state police.

 

Good luck!

[HBecwithFn7 296]

Were you ever committed? if not I would check no on the box, if I remember correctly it's only if you were committed to a hospital.

 

If you are not sure call the New Jersey State Police Firearms Investigation Unit and ask, or better yet contact an attorney before submitting anything to the local or state police.

 

Good luck!

 

I think what matters more is what the CLEO of his town (or the NJSP barracks) thinks, since they'll be the ones making the approve/deny decision. They're the one's conducting the investigation. So it's up to them as to how far they proceed in veting things and how they interpret them. The question (26) is broad and vague enough to allow said CLEO a lot of discretion.

 

OP:  I'd search for info. on the history of FID permit grants in your town. How long they take... do they require special documents other than the standard NJ state forms (sts-033 and sp-066) + SB212A. 

 

Would you be willing to tell us what town you live in?

[Carcano 14]

I think what matters more is what the CLEO of his town (or the NJSP barracks) thinks, since they'll be the ones making the approve/deny decision. They're the one's conducting the investigation. So it's up to them as to how far they proceed in veting things and how they interpret them. The question (26) is broad and vague enough to allow said CLEO a lot of discretion.

 

OP:  I'd search for info. on the history of FID permit grants in your town. How long they take... do they require special documents other than the standard NJ state forms (sts-033 and sp-066) + SB212A. 

 

Would you be willing to tell us what town you live in?

 

Might want to point out to the OP that NO special forms besides sts-033 and sp-066 (plus sb212a) are required and if the town asks him to fill out anything else he has the right to refuse and the PD must accept the application.

[oldguysrule649 397]

IANAL

 

You would be wise to consult with an attorney and think things thoroughly thru before submitting anything. I very recently recieved my P2P after a very lengthy and challenging experience after answering yes to Q#26. I plan to post my input to this forum in the near future. In the meantime, msg me if you want to talk.

 

(Carcano, with all due respect, you are incorrect. I believe you are thinking of Q#24, not Q#26.)

[Carcano 14]

IANAL

 

You would be wise to consult with an attorney and think things thoroughly thru before submitting anything. I very recently recieved my P2P after a very lengthy and challenging experience after answering yes to Q#26. I plan to post my input to this forum in the near future. In the meantime, msg me if you want to talk.

 

(Carcano, with all due respect, you are incorrect. I believe you are thinking of Q#24, not Q#26.)

 

Brain fart you are right I was thinking of 24 not 26.

 

The OP should consult with an attorney as several people have pointed out, better to be safe on something touchy like this.

[cjr305 0]

I live in Seaside Park and I'm pretty sure I'm in good standing with the local police.

 

I was never committed nor have I ever had to speak to a crisis intervention worker/mental health screener. From my understanding, I can answer No for that one but I'd still answer yes for 26

 

I'm definitely leaning towards calling a lawyer. It'll be today or tomorrow.

[Inplainsight 6]

Good luck and do keep us posted.

 

 

I live in Seaside Park and I'm pretty sure I'm in good standing with the local police.

I was never committed nor have I ever had to speak to a crisis intervention worker/mental health screener. From my understanding, I can answer No for that one but I'd still answer yes for 26

I'm definitely leaning towards calling a lawyer. It'll be today or tomorrow.

[HBecwithFn7 296]

I live in Seaside Park and I'm pretty sure I'm in good standing with the local police.

 

I was never committed nor have I ever had to speak to a crisis intervention worker/mental health screener. From my understanding, I can answer No for that one but I'd still answer yes for 26

 

I'm definitely leaning towards calling a lawyer. It'll be today or tomorrow.

 

Sadly, 26 is the critical question.     IMHO, it's the one that gives the greatest discretion for "denying" people if that's the PD's general mindset and intent.  

[cjr305 0]

Might want to point out to the OP that NO special forms besides sts-033 and sp-066 (plus sb212a) are required and if the town asks him to fill out anything else he has the right to refuse and the PD must accept the application.

 

So thats the background check, consent for mental health record search, and the initial FID application paperwork?

 

Additionally, how exactly does the process work? The forms I printed were from the state police website but is the process actually carried out by the state police or would it be done by my local police department, or a combination of both? Is one specific LEO appointed the job of analyzing my paperwork and then ultimately decides my approval/disapproval? 

[HBecwithFn7 296]

So thats the background check, consent for mental health record search, and the initial FID application paperwork?

 

Additionally, how exactly does the process work? The forms I printed were from the state police website but is the process actually carried out by the state police or would it be done by my local police department, or a combination of both? Is one specific LEO appointed the job of analyzing my paperwork and then ultimately decides my approval/disapproval? 

 

If you live in a town serviced by a local PD, it would be someone in the local PD handling the investigation and referring things to the FIU of the NJSP (or the County Adjustor's office for the sp-066) when needed. If your references are being checked, it would be the local PD doing that.  If your town doesn't have a local PD, it would be the closest NJSP barracks that services your town. Ultimately, the CLEO of your town will have to sign the docs (or whomever does it at the NJSP barracks if you don't have a local PD).

[Carcano 14]

So thats the background check, consent for mental health record search, and the initial FID application paperwork?

 

Additionally, how exactly does the process work? The forms I printed were from the state police website but is the process actually carried out by the state police or would it be done by my local police department, or a combination of both? Is one specific LEO appointed the job of analyzing my paperwork and then ultimately decides my approval/disapproval? 

 

Yes, just those 2 forms. The background check might be online (PD will give you instructions on how to complete, total coast $20.00 done online yourself)

 

Check my thread about additional paperwork, if the PD starts pushing additional papers on you it's NOT required that you fill them out/sign them but keep in mind your PD might try and use it as leverage against giving you a permit so be careful and don't make the same mistake I made.

 

Wishing you good luck on your FPID, also HB gave some good info.

 

BTW Get a pistol permit when you apply for your FPID (pistol permit is good for 90 days *I think*) it's $2.00 extra no limit on number of permits just remember only one can be used every 30 days unless you file for an exemption with State Police.

[cjr305 0]

HBecwithFn7, thank you for in info. That is very good to know. My town does have a local PD. I think now I may roll the dice and go for it without a lawyer. While we do have a local PD here, my town is very small with a relatively low number of year round residents. Due to this, hopefully I will be given a chance to speak to an officer, introduce myself, and briefly explain my answer to 26 and my knowledge and understanding of mental illness. Also, everyone in town knows me as an avid outdoorsman/sportsman so hopefully that will work in my favor. 

 

Thank you Carcano.

Regarding the pistol permit, is there any distinct advantage to getting it now? I.E., am I going to have another "#26" issue to deal with if I hold off on obtaining a handgun permit? 

[ogfarmer 138]

yes you will will fill out same paperwork everytime u apply for pistol permit. so kill 2 birds with one stone. Also you will have to wait again while the process it

[Carcano 14]

HBecwithFn7, thank you for in info. That is very good to know. My town does have a local PD. I think now I may roll the dice and go for it without a lawyer. While we do have a local PD here, my town is very small with a relatively low number of year round residents. Due to this, hopefully I will be given a chance to speak to an officer, introduce myself, and briefly explain my answer to 26 and my knowledge and understanding of mental illness. Also, everyone in town knows me as an avid outdoorsman/sportsman so hopefully that will work in my favor. 

 

Thank you Carcano.

Regarding the pistol permit, is there any distinct advantage to getting it now? I.E., am I going to have another "#26" issue to deal with if I hold off on obtaining a handgun permit? 

 

Grab one or two pistol permits when you do the FID so you do not have to go back and apply for pistol permits (more paperwork).

 

Good thing is, 90 days they are valid for and lot's of decent pistols at decent prices..military surplus or police trade-ins at good prices

 

And no, pistol permits will not create an issue with question 26

[HBecwithFn7 296]

Grab one or two pistol permits when you do the FID so you do not have to go back and apply for pistol permits (more paperwork).

 

Good thing is, 90 days they are valid for and lot's of decent pistols at decent prices..military surplus or police trade-ins at good prices

 

And no, pistol permits will not create an issue with question 26

 

Agreed. I applied for 2 P2Ps when I did the initial FID.  My town is very small also. And that's actually a good thing where I live, as the officer in charge (more than likely the CLEO him/herself) will be doing the investigation (maybe with a little admin. help). That might actually make things go faster, if the CLEO is also pro-2A.

[carl_g 568]

Do it now before you are required to get training.

[kirk2022 43]

CJR

You have gotten A lot of good feedback above.  You plan on using A professional in the field as A reference.  A call to an Attorney will more than likely not be A major expense.  I would tell you research any Attorney before calling.   An Attorney that is not 2A friendly or involved is not the one to answer this question.   Evan Nappan is A 2A Attorney! 

And really important!    Do not go on the defense that other papers are Illegal.  Those papers do not have to be filled out when you pick them up at the PD. Anything they give you just take the packet, go home and if there are additional call the Attorney back and let him know what they want. At that point he will guide you.

As I said consult A 2A friendly Attorney.

A lot of situations can be taken from minor to A major thing by listening to folks on forums including myself.

 

We are burdened here in NJ. There is A fight to fight.  But with what you have posted Your time to join the fight with the rest of us will come.   Right now you need to seek professional opinion.

 

Final thought. Yes apply for your P2P be it 1 or 3 at the same time.   Just not 8 or 9

Good luck