Recommend a .223 Rifle

[mipafox 438]

 

I have seen/heard this a few times and it confuses me each time.

 

This is a software issue, not a hardware one.

 

Just sayin'....

 

Good luck on the hunt for a new rifle.

 

My vote is for an AR pattern rifle.

 

 

Some software problems are most easily solved with hardware

[wkeilsw 0]

Mossberg mvp patrol .223

 

 

S&W 637 [] Sig 1911 .22lr [] Glock 22 Gen4 [] Mossberg 590 [] M&P 15 Sport

[redwings9 5]

If you do go with a bolt gun take a look at both the MVP and Ruger American, I just picked up the Ruger in their Ranch model with 16.5 barrel and am pleasantly surprised by the accuracy.  Even with cheap PMC ammo and a  semi hot dirty barrel I am getting sub inch groups at 100yds and at 300yds it stays in a five-six inch circle.

 

My MVP shoots equally as well.  I do like shooting a bolt gun.  The compact size of both make them decent guns for chucks and predators when you are covering lots of areas.

 

Both have short barrels and balance well with minimal loss of accuracy. The MVP is more money and if I had to choose one it would be the Ruger which can be found at well under $380. Topped with decent glass they both shoot real well.

 

If I could find the  Ruger Gunsite in 5.56/223 I would buy one as I really like the two I have in 308 but they can be pricey.

 

Good luck with what ever you go with.

[High Exposure 5,661]

I admit, the MVP intrigues me and finding something similar in function, style and quality for $400 is enticing.

 

Does the Ruger also take M4 mags?

[bhunted 887]

  

 

Some software problems are most easily solved with hardware

....or using the delete key.

 

 

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[redwings9 5]

HE, no they are Ruger proprietary mags similar to what you would find on any standard hunting rifle,flush with stock and they are polymer. Not sure if anyone makes high capacity mags.

 

As you probably already know the MVP takes standard AR mags.

 

The Gunsite by Ruger also uses proprietary mags as well I have both the steel mags for them and the later model polymer; (5rd,10 rd and 15 rounders).

 

One thing about the MVP is the scope selection needs to be shorter as the rear iron (wilson I believe) sight sits really high. I put a 2-7 Redfield on it and the chucks did not mind ,but I wish I had higher magnification on it, but now I have the Ruger and mounted one of Nikons prostaff 4-12 models on it and it is nice and clear out to 300 yds and beyond and surprisingly the gun shoots well out that far.

 

When not predator hunting it is a great day of practice putting out balloons at different yardages attached to shell casing to keep them from blowing away. Put a bunch out from 100-to 300 yds and it gives a great morning of fun given the unknown distance. With the minimal cost of 5.56/223 it makes for a good day shooting.

[High Exposure 5,661]

Good info brother. Thanks.

 

I think the ability to use my M4 mags will be a big selling point for me when I am ready to drop the cash on a bolt gun like this.

[redwings9 5]

HE, Mossberg deserves credit for putting out a rifle built to take what is probably the most available mags around. Ruger would of done well to do likewise but said they could not get the gunsite model to feed reliably. Take care and be safe.

[High Exposure 5,661]

Ruger has always marched to the beat of their own drummer on stuff like this - just look at the Mini 14. Ruger is probably still holding a grudge that they didn't win the military contract.

 

ARs are arguably the most common rifle out there. There are probably millions of reliable AR pattern mags out there and Ruger wants you to buy their mags instead of using the ones you already have.

 

Talk about tripping over dollar bills to pick up pennies.

[redwings9 5]

Amen to that it kills me to have so many different dedicated mags. Fortunately all of my handguns are 1911's and even a few of those based on the JMB design take different mags , round count etc add up what we all spend on the incidentals and we could fund a nice vacation somewhere

[302w 83]

Why would you want a "high capacity" mag on a bolt gun? Anything longer than a 20 round mag would probably be annoying to shoot, and I never found a bolt gun to be cumbersome to load. For sporting purposes you don't need more than five rounds and for self defense a bolt action is a bad choice. It's a neat idea but seems gimmicky.

 

It was scary typing that. I felt like McCarthy.

[High Exposure 5,661]

I say a guy run a Steyer Scout in an AR class. He was almost as fast and more accurate than most of the AR shooters. It was pretty cool to see a guy that dialed in to that platform.

 

A rifle that is 50 state legal, uses mags I already have, and a caliber decent for SD sounds like a good rifle to have around. I'm not going to replace all of my ARs, but I have a place in my safe for a rifle like that.

[redwings9 5]

302w not to start an argument just an observation.....Are you sure about this " for self defense a bolt action is a bad choice. It's a neat idea but seems gimmicky".

 

Think about all the battles fought pre semi/fullauto.   Sgt York comes to mind and he did pretty good with his old fashion bolt gun.  

 

I do realize that any combat pitting a gas operated or recoil reloading  system vs a bolt  operation is at a serious disadvantage. Think Garand vs 98 Mauser, however unfortunately too many GIs and Allies died facing these same "gimmicky" weapons

 

Any firearm in capable hands can be used for self defense. May not be the best choice at the time ,but beats no choice. Aim,fire repeat as needed. The object has always been and remains the same hence the adage one shot one kill or shoot until the threat is neutralized .

 

There was a study done years ago that indicated during WW1 it cost 17 cents to kill an enemy combatant, during Vietnam,(and I would guess it has gotten higher since then), it was estimated that it cost several thousand dollars per enemy casualty.( I realize this includes both high tech ordnance as well as small arms) but the implication is that spray and pray is not real productive. Remember when uncle same fitted the ARs with 3 round burst select fire......

 

I know during my time in country  (VN) some of our fire discipline left a lot to be desired . 

[Kevin125 4,772]

If you want a bolt action with magazine in 10-15 round capacity mossberg mvp. If you want accurate and bolt but with 5 rounds think about savage or Remington.If you want semi auto customizable with 10-15 rounds AR15. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If anyone is still checking this out, I just bought a Mossberg MVP Varmint in 5.56. Very little experience with it so far but I do like it. Skip the scoped model and buy your own. The bipod is ok. But you can pick your own. List is 599.

[CATI 0]

I'm a big fan of the WW wood version ar-15. It has the utilitarian advantages of the ar platform along with being more visually appealing for poeplele who don't want a black rifle.