NJ Gun Laws Being Re-Adopted and Open to Public Comment Now.

[younggun93 5]

The first step to winning an argument or policy point is to hijack the nomenclature. I discussed AIDS/HIV earlier. Gender as opposed to sex is another example that allows the left to define things as they will. A male can wake up one morning believing he's Napoleon, Hitler, or a girl. If you're talking 'sex" his position is absurd. "Gender" perhaps less so. Gender is a grammatical term.

 

"Assault rifle" is an absurd term but unfortunately it's now part of the vocabulary. My son in Cabela's last summer: "Wow look at all those assault rifles." "What makes them assault rifles?" I asked. "Oh never mind!"

 

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

 

thats helps a lot

[MartyZ 692]

It doesn't matter if the term is made up, The fact is this is the term the lefties use to scare the uninformed. My suggestion is to turn it around on them, make a point that "assault weapons" are full auto and the admin code should reflect that accordingly. God knows every other argument has already been tried

[springfieldxds 0]

this is all pretty confusing, any chance nj2as or anjrpc will send out an email commenting on this 

 

i mean if its true that these "clarifications" will make legal guns illegal after a swipe with a pen, with no means real means of challenge, this cant be constitutional 

 

it would just make 1000s of gun owners into felons overnight

[MartyZ 692]

this is all pretty confusing, any chance nj2as or anjrpc will send out an email commenting on this 

 

i mean if its true that these "clarifications" will make legal guns illegal after a swipe with a pen, with no means real means of challenge, this cant be constitutional 

 

it would just make 1000s of gun owners into felons overnight

This is NJ, nothing here is constitutional

[DevsAdvocate 112]

Question: would the AC review be able to eliminate the Pistol Permit extension and just make them valid for 180 days?  At this point, it just makes PD's do twice the work for no tangible benefit.

[jackandjill 683]

this is all pretty confusing, any chance nj2as or anjrpc will send out an email commenting on this 

 

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Yes, after they are done worrying about collecting membership fees. Yes, after it has become law, these guys will setup a Strikeforce.

 

This has been sitting here for couple of weeks and our organizations dont even have time to review and apply political force in opposition. Says about their priorities.

[kman 56]

If you have a semi auto shotgun in NJ with pistol grip or folding stock it is illegal already and has been for 20 years. This is nothing new.

 

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[Vlad G 345]

If you have a semi auto shotgun in NJ with pistol grip or folding stock it is illegal already and has been for 20 years. This is nothing new.

 

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You keep saying that and you keep being wrong. Before this set of rules semi shotguns with removable magazines were legal, after this they won't be.

[kman 56]

You keep saying that and you keep being wrong. Before this set of rules semi shotguns with removable magazines were legal, after this they won't be.

Got it. Thanks for the correction!

 

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[n4p226r 105]

does anyone know which shotguns that are affected?  i can only think of the saiga 12 variant but i am not really a shotgun person.  

[ogfarmer 138]

Saigas

Norinco SAS12

Weidong 12

CAI SAS12

Catamount (fury)12

 

these are a few I was able to find

[SJG 253]

1 The New Jersey Administrative Code is law

2. If there is a conflict between a regulation and a statute, the statute will prevail over the regulation. The reasoning is that regulation conflicts with the statute and the e legislative intent to delegate rule making authority to an agency to promulgate an administrative regulation consistent with the statute

3. There is a big difference between "one or more" and "not more that one" I have not yet read the proposed regulation, but if it is being quoted correctly here, it may do more that just create consistency with our existing statutory restrictions.To me, it looks inconsistent. I need to study this issue further.

4. The main purpose of the NJAC is to create categories for weapons that cannot be sold. Criminal indictments for weapons violations cite state criminal statutes. I have never seen an indictment for violation of an administrative regulation. An administrative regulation may be cited by a court, and frequently is in a civil case, or in a regulatory adminsitrative trial and may be cited in an opinion in a quasi criminal case where the focus is an administrative code violation.

5 Presently the statue indicates :3)A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a pistol grip, or a folding stock. If the statute is not changed, then the "one or more" means any one or more of the described evil features. This is what they did to NY and what they tried to do on the federal level last year. A detachable magazine would be a no-no even though it is presently ok in a semi shotgun. The point to be made is that this regulatory change is not consistent with how the statue is presently written and permits the State Police to usurp the power of the Legislature in violation of the NJ Constitution. At least this is how I see it now, but would need to study this further

[RUTGERS95 890]

every year it's something new.  when is enough enough?  there is no legal justifcation for this...none