AlDente67 563 Posted December 20, 2014 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/953219988/estate-ammunition-12-gauge-2-3-4-00-buckshot-9-pellets I got an email offer notice on this, and I can use more supply, but I'm clueless on whats what with 00. I don't hunt, I mainly keep stock for shooting paper or any zombies lurking around with my Mossberg 500 plain Jane pump. Not sure if 2.75 versus 3.25 has much meaning (one more round capacity?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted December 20, 2014 That's a decent price for 00 buck. A mossberg 500 cannot shoot shells larger than 3" anyway and no, you won't get one more in the tube with a 2.75 shell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,125 Posted December 20, 2014 Yes, that's a great price for 00 buckshot. Seems like a lot of places have been dumping Estate buckshot, so not sure if it's discontinued or what. Once heard a guy call it his favorite cheap shotgun ammo. Not sure if I would trust my life to it, but it's fine for plinking and blasting away at paper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted December 20, 2014 Estate is generally fine ammo, I know a couple of 3gunners that use their bird shot with no function issues. I have no idea of its terminal performance but .. its shotgun ammo so it does what it does. Specially talking about a pump, where you don't worry if a certain ammo works in your gun, I've seen no issues with Estate in general. That is a pretty decent price as well. If I didn't have enough buckshot already, I'd buy a case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted December 20, 2014 I just bought a case from them. Got it a week ago and noticed the bottom of cardboard case looked like it had gotten wet. I pulled out the boxes and the shells on the bottom row were rusted and corroded. About 20 rounds were unusable so I called Midway and they sent me a free replacement box of 25 and told me to just keep the damaged shells. I was able to clean up most of them. Go for it! They have great customer service! They also told me the warehouse would be immediately ordered to check all remaining stock for damage so you should be fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted December 20, 2014 Very good price for basic 9 pellet OO buckshot Test some out; at least a 25 round box....I have had problems with Estate ammo and primers being set too deep on 12 gauge clay target loads. Estate made good on the ammo, but I second the concern expressed earlier...make sure there's no problems before you depend on it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barms 98 Posted December 21, 2014 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/953219988/estate-ammunition-12-gauge-2-3-4-00-buckshot-9-pellets I got an email offer notice on this, and I can use more supply, but I'm clueless on whats what with 00. I don't hunt, I mainly keep stock for shooting paper or any zombies lurking around with my Mossberg 500 plain Jane pump. Not sure if 2.75 versus 3.25 has much meaning (one more round capacity?) I'm in awe of how really tight a grouping 00 buck stays at like ten yards. Paper doesn't really do it justice because the wad can make the hole bigger and paper tears. If you see 00 buck hit steel you know what I mean. It's no more forgiving on accuracy than a rifle would be. Such a Hollywood myth about shotguns blowing 12 inch holes in doors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlDente67 563 Posted December 21, 2014 I placed my order. Also got a Tomahawk marked down to $20, plus a few other odds and ends. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/3408210224/sog-tactical-tomahawk-275-blade-1575-overall-length-fiberglass-handle-black Why not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrap 4 Posted December 24, 2014 Estate is not dirt level junk, but it's not the highest quality ammo on the market, but it's generally accepted as a great deal on 00 Buck. The deal with 2 3/4" vs 3" vs 3 1/2" is the amount of pellets per shell. For example, in a standard round of Winchester "Super - X" 00 Buck 2 3/4" , there are 9 00 Buck pellets (roughly equivalent to a .32 caliber round each pellet) .... the same load in 3" has 15 pellets, and the 3 1/2" has 18 pellets. Naturally there is also more powder as you go up, in order to be able to shoot all those extra pellets, which of course makes it more powerful of a shot to your shoulder. GENERALLY SPEAKING, unless you're hunting (and then very specific uses, specific rounds for specific animals/situations), 2 3/4" shells are all you'll ever need and frankly most people would not and should not go up. You MIGHT want a 3" magnum load as your first defensive round (the chambered round) for home defense or combat, so your first and probably only shot has more chance of hitting your target (because of more pellets therefore greater odds of hitting) and probably more damage to the bad guy because he got hit with more pellets. However, generally also, the extra recoil negates the benefits; that is, it's going to shock your senses much more, hurt your shoulder and surely raise the muzzle much more, causing follow up shots to take longer, reduce your accuracy because your sights require realignment and you're fighting through pain and shock to get another solid sight picture etc. I know that if someone wanted to, they could knock down a lot of what I said with things like, "It's not that bad; you can take the pain and it doesn't raise your muzzle THAT MUCH " and all sorts of stuff. The point is, a 2 3/4" 00 Buck shell has plenty of power and pellets and does the job .... Magnum shells are just not really needed FOR THE MOST PART, for the average guy in the average house hold with the average skills and shotguns etc. Now do I own some 3" magnum shells, absolutely... If they're a good sale or such I grab em because there's always a time and place and such. But I do not go out of my way to buy them and I certainly do not use them often. And 3 1/2" shells, the vast majority of shotguns aren't even chambered for super magnum (3 1/2" ) shells , and those that are are generally meant for specific hunting (turkey and or waterfowl ) usage. I have a Benelli SuperNova Tactical which is chambered for 3 1/2" shells ( and 3" and 2 3/4" also of course) but I DID NOT buy it for that reason, it's simply a tertiary benefit of owning it. I might have a box or two of 3 1/2" shells in ,my vast ammo collection, simply because it was a novelty. But again, 2 3/4" is all you're going to need in 95% of your normal-person needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted December 25, 2014 Yup, no need for stupid magnum loads or anything like that for close range self defense, even the pellet count thing doesn't make sense to me. I don't think most people have grouped their shotguns with buck, even at 20 yards I can cover the group with my hand, at self defense distances buckshot doesn't open that much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted December 25, 2014 You need nothing more than 2-3/4" for home defense. I've knocked deer off their feet at 20 yards with a 2-3/4" shell. So I've seen first hand what 00 buck can do to a living thing. These days if I do deer hunt with a shotgun during a drive I sling 3-1/2" 00 or 3" 000. But that close inside a building the smaller shell is more than adequate. Also a deer is a pretty resilient animal not frail like a human. I've put arrows through their hearts both lungs and liver before, they can travel a pretty good distance with a huge hole blowing blood out of everything, with completely masserated vital organs, Doubtful many people would be able to do that. 12g 2-3/4" 00 buckshot at close range = dead person no question to me. It only takes one pellet in the right spot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites