permits good now for 180 days?

[Newtonian 453]

I got 3 on 12/8. Also noticed it's a full sheet instead of a half sheet. I was going to post something about it but the whole idea is so lame I decided not to waste the electrons.

 

My papers say, " "this permit is valid for 90 days from date of issue, unless renewed once for good cause by the issuing authority for an additional 90 days, for a total of 180 consecutive days."

 

In other words same old crap, no?

[djg0770 481]

I got 3 on 12/8. Also noticed it's a full sheet instead of a half sheet. I was going to post something about it but the whole idea is so lame I decided not to waste the electrons.

 

My papers say, " "this permit is valid for 90 days from date of issue, unless renewed once for good cause by the issuing authority for an additional 90 days, for a total of 180 consecutive days."

 

In other words same old crap, no?

 

I think what he's saying is that the issuing authority automatically fills out the renewal.

[Newtonian 453]

I think what he's saying is that the issuing authority automatically fills out the renewal.

Having to go down to HQ again, find the Sgt., wait several days, then they tell you yes or no, etc. is a lot different from "Permits are now good for 180 days."

[djg0770 481]

I think what he's saying is that the issuing authority automatically fills out the renewal.

 

By automatically I meant that when he initially receives the permit the extension section is already completed.

[Carcano 14]

By automatically I meant that when he initially receives the permit the extension section is already completed.

 

I was leaning towards.

 

So the PD issues the permit and completes the extension at the same time (180 days instead of 90).

[Newtonian 453]

By automatically I meant that when he initially receives the permit the extension section is already completed.

I have the same feeling as when my wife asks me to get the orange lentils on the second shelf on the left.

 

There is nothing on my permit regarding an extension. Nothing whatsoever except the statement I reproduced a few posts ago.

 

And that is exactly the same wording, verbatim, as on the old permits.

 

What am I missing?

[djg0770 481]

What am I missing?

 

 Are you in Egg Harbor Township?

 

I suspected that this was "a local thing" and not universal.  It's actually pretty interesting.  I had my town refuse to extend permits earlier this year as they had already expired (which they had no problem doing in the past), but apparently they had a "seminar" with the state police who indicated that permits must be extended BEFORE they expire.  Seems to me like one department figured out that they could save everyone a bunch of time if they just extended them on day 1 instead of day 89!  For every rule, there's a loophole.

[Newtonian 453]

 Are you in Egg Harbor Township?

 

I suspected that this was "a local thing" and not universal.  It's actually pretty interesting.  I had my town refuse to extend permits earlier this year as they had already expired (which they had no problem doing in the past), but apparently they had a "seminar" with the state police who indicated that permits must be extended BEFORE they expire.  Seems to me like one department figured out that they could save everyone a bunch of time if they just extended them on day 1 instead of day 89!  For every rule, there's a loophole.

Very interesting. So they just pre-fill in the "date renewed" and associated signature. Very interesting. Our PD doesn't do that! It might be worth asking them, however, next time.

[Sota 1,191]

2 of mine are in for extension now. I'll talk to the Sgt/1stLT(act) about getting the (act) chief to sign off on the extensions immediately from now on. See what happens.

[PK90 3,570]

HEY STATE OF NJ, GIVE THE FUCKING PERMITS TO THE DEALERS AND USE THE NICS CHECK AS THE BACKGROUND CHECK.

[jm1827 284]

HEY STATE OF NJ, GIVE THE FUCKING PERMITS TO THE DEALERS AND USE THE NICS CHECK AS THE BACKGROUND CHECK.

What a great idea!!!!

[CMJeepster 2,777]

HEY STATE OF NJ, GIVE THE FUCKING PERMITS TO THE DEALERS AND USE THE NICS CHECK AS THE BACKGROUND CHECK.

Logic < stupidity.

[Carcano 14]

HEY STATE OF NJ, GIVE THE FUCKING PERMITS TO THE DEALERS AND USE THE NICS CHECK AS THE BACKGROUND CHECK.

 

That makes too much sense for the IDIOTS in this State.

 

But in AZ you can buy a pistol face to face with a drivers license in the parking lot of a gas station...right?

[DDT1345 10]

That makes too much sense for the IDIOTS in this State.

 

But in AZ you can buy a pistol face to face with a drivers license in the parking lot of a gas station...right?

I see what you did there.

[Carcano 14]

I see what you did there.

 

 

Well at least you can buy a cheap Jennings or Raven 25 auto in the wal-mart parking lot..rob the nearest gas station and buy a better pistol???

[Oakridgefirearms 224]

HEY STATE OF NJ, GIVE THE FUCKING PERMITS TO THE DEALERS AND USE THE NICS CHECK AS THE BACKGROUND CHECK.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^

 

And actually......with the on line NICS system they could just get rid of the permit all together and and just have the dealer enter the gun info into the system at the time of transfer so it would still be "registered" without compromising the people of NJ's "safety" (and would actual improve safety by freeing up the the police to do real police work instead of needless redundant bureaucracy) . But all these ideas would make gun buying easier.......something the anti's just can't have.

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

P2P's are not about background checks. They merely serve as another deterrent to gun ownership in New Jersey. Well, I guess they also provide a source of registration, so the state can know where the handguns are when they decide to round them up.

[Midwest 28]

Looking at other states with handgun registration. The process is much faster in Michigan, there they also have the triplicate register and require a permit to purchase like NJ. The permit to purchase only takes at most a day wait and if you have a CPL (CCW) you can bypass the P2P there, although registration is still required.  Here is how their registration works (from wikihow).

 

http://www.wikihow.com/Buy-a-Firearm-in-Michigan (Handguns)


1. Meet the age requirements. You must be at least 18 years old to buy a pistol from a private seller. You can not buy a pistol from a dealer, however.You must be 21 years old or older to buy a pistol from a federal firearms licensed dealer. Only Michigan residents may purchase a pistol in Michigan.



2. Obtain a purchase permit if you are not purchasing from an FFL dealer. That's a Federal Firearm Licensed dealer. If you are purchasing from anyone else, you will need the permit unless you have a concealed pistol license(CPL).If you are a CPL holder and are purchasing from another person all you need is a RI-60. This is also called a license to purchase a pistol, or an LTP. It is valid for 30 days as of December 18th, 2012.[1]

Complete the application for a pistol purchase permit at your local police agency. If you reside within municipal limits, go to your city police department. If you live in a rural area or outside municipal limits, go to your county sheriff's department.
Bring valid identification with you. You must present police with a current ID that shows your photograph.

3.Pass the background check. It's not super invasive -- they're mainly checking to see if you're mentally stable or if you have any restraining orders to your name.[2] This generally takes 24 hours. Take an oath before a notary public. You must swear that you comply with applicable federal laws and Michigan state laws for owning a pistol in Michigan. The laws stipulate numerous circumstances that prohibit applicants from receiving a purchase permit. You can see the complete list at the Michigan State Police website at www.michigan.gov/msp. As of last year, the Basic Pistol Safety Questionnaire is no longer given.[1] Just for the record.

4. Collect your approved purchase permit at the police station. You can usually get the permit the day after you apply. The police can only deny the permit if you've been convicted of a felony or have displayed a history of violent or mentally unstable behavior. You'll also receive a PSR -- Pistol Sales Record in triplicate. One will be for you, one will be for the police, and one will be for your seller. Don't lose these!



5. If you are purchasing from an FFL, obtain a PSR. The dealer's identification number must be on the PSR in addition to information on you and your pistol. You must send the completed police copy of the PSR to the nearest police agency.

This goes for both those who are purchasing from private sellers and those purchasing from FFL's. The only difference is that if you are purchasing from a private seller and do not have a permit, the PSR will be given to you then. Otherwise, go to your local police station and request a PSR form in triplicate.


6. Use the purchase permit and PSR to buy a pistol in Michigan. The permit is valid for 30 days, but you need to fill it out within 10 days of purchase. When you are buying your pistol, have the forms with you to fill out. Make sure that you and your gun dealer sign the permit and PSR. This will be done when you buy the pistol. The dealer will retain a copy of each. Keep a copy of the signed purchase permit and PSR for your records.


7. Return one copy of the PSR (and permit, if applicable) to your local police agency. They will then enter your information into their database. Their copy then gets forwarded to the following address (and then you're finished!):

    Firearms Records Unit
    Michigan State Police
    PO Box 30634
    Lansing, MI
    48909-0634

 

 

 

 

 

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[Burns 16]

HEY STATE OF NJ, GIVE THE FUCKING PERMITS TO THE DEALERS AND USE THE NICS CHECK AS THE BACKGROUND CHECK.

 

THIS!

[JohnnyB 4,323]

HEY STATE OF NJ, GIVE THE FUCKING PERMITS TO THE DEALERS AND USE THE NICS CHECK AS THE BACKGROUND CHECK.

Vote out Sweeney and a few more anti gun politicians and we could possibly get this idea passed.

[Zeke 5,504]

Vote out Sweeney and a few more anti gun politicians and we could possibly get this idea passed.

This!