intercooler 41 Posted February 17, 2015 next to go will be 7.62x54r...bet $ on that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norseman 2 Posted February 18, 2015 Just make sure we DONT COMPLY. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
302w 83 Posted February 18, 2015 next to go will be 7.62x54r...bet $ on that x54r isn't chambered in handguns so we should be okay with that for now. There are rumors from Black Horse Arsenal, but just photoshop. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/01/foghorn/will-bhas-new-7-62x54r-pistol-mean-the-end-of-7-62x54r-ammo-imports/ There really isn't much else to "go". Every firearm model or caliber that can be imported into this country in any large quantity has already been imported or has been banned. I'm happy I bought a crate while the going was good. Not fantastic, but good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
intercooler 41 Posted February 18, 2015 how can you NOT comply if the item is no longer sold? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norseman 2 Posted February 18, 2015 It'll still be legal to own? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted February 18, 2015 x54r isn't chambered in handguns so we should be okay with that for now. Care to take this statement back? Unless an Obrez is considered an SBR? As long as no one starts a letter writing campaign to the ATF, we're probably going to be ok on 7.62x54r. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
302w 83 Posted February 18, 2015 Obrez is an SBR. Also not commercially available at that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,131 Posted February 18, 2015 next to go will be 7.62x54r...bet $ on that HEY! gimmee back those cans man! lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,134 Posted February 19, 2015 Picking up cans but I have a limit. I think it's gonna be gone soon Is there any ammo left! I bet Shawn bought it all up! How much did you get? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestPX 172 Posted February 19, 2015 Care to take this statement back? Unless an Obrez is considered an SBR? As long as no one starts a letter writing campaign to the ATF, we're probably going to be ok on 7.62x54r. Not a semi-auto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted February 19, 2015 Not a semi-auto.True, didn't know that was part of their criteria for banned handgun ammunition. Thanks. Apparently it's an SBR anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted February 19, 2015 Is there any ammo left! I bet Shawn bought it all up! How much did you get? I bought 20,000 rounds of .22 and a couple thousand rounds of green tip. It's being rationed to the dealers now. I can try again next week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qel Hoth 33 Posted February 20, 2015 I need to buy me (or make...) one of these when I escape NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted February 20, 2015 True, didn't know that was part of their criteria for banned handgun ammunition. Thanks. It's not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted February 20, 2015 I need to buy me (or make...) one of these when I escape NJ. AOW - have an SOT make it for you. Pay him $50 to chop it and you only pay a $5 tax stamp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted February 26, 2015 Well let's put this into perspective Today I was able to get .22lr but not green tip (Wholesale) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 27, 2015 Crap, Just paid .62 cents per round for 240 rounds for M855! I don't need it but just so I can say I got some!!! It is still available but it is not cheap for sure! I hate gougers!!! As pointed out, I can't use it at the range so it will live in my ammo safe forever probably. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted February 27, 2015 Hey I'm just showing the crystal ball. What's on the shelfs is there. But after that who knows Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 27, 2015 Meh - ordered a little more M855 just in case.... Wideners has Federal Lake City M855 for a decent price. About 37c/round after shipping https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100001628&dir= Wow! It went up almost double in less than 2 weeks!!!! Guess I should have got some sooner! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 27, 2015 I bought 20,000 rounds of .22 and a couple thousand rounds of green tip. It's being rationed to the dealers now. I can try again next week. Shawn, Who has .22s in stock? Especially 20,000? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted February 27, 2015 I did for 3 hours. One guy on here got a 5,000 round case off me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted February 27, 2015 This is the only .22 I have now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeff47 30 Posted February 27, 2015 Not really a surprise considering they banned 7n6 only a few months ago for the same reason. I wonder if the 7n6 ban was a test run for the m855 or if someone pointed out that m855 bullet had the same non-armor piercing make up as the non-armor piercing 7n6 bullets that are now classified as AP? I picked up 300 rounds of m855 from Dicks for $100 with their coupon and now the same stuff 2 weeks later is more than twice that if you can find it. Pretty sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
71ragtopgoat 23 Posted February 27, 2015 They will just keep banning if not challanged. Its a foot in the door just like so many other laws that are for "the public good" There is allot to be said for hoarders I guess. Things are not going to get better anytime soon. Congress lack guts as its constructed now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted February 27, 2015 Yup. I pulled my green tip. It's not MY stash Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted February 27, 2015 Most comprehensive writeup I've seen yet on this situation, including history of how the ATF has twisted the "armor piercing" designation previously for other calibers: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/02/robert-farago/atf-ban-on-m855-ammunition-the-real-issue-and-the-real-answer/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted February 27, 2015 The ATF was beaten back on another bogus interpretation of their rules early last year; ATF ruled that a muzzle device was a "silencer" without even investigating if it lowered the sound of shots. The manufacturer sued the ATF, won, and got their interpretation overturned. I wonder if an ammo manufacturer can follow the same path...: http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/03/20/66348.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norseman 2 Posted February 27, 2015 The ATF was beaten back on another bogus interpretation of their rules early last year; ATF ruled that a muzzle device was a "silencer" without even investigating if it lowered the sound of shots. The manufacturer sued the ATF, won, and got their interpretation overturned. I wonder if an ammo manufacturer can follow the same path...: http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/03/20/66348.htm Good question!? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maintenanceguy 508 Posted February 27, 2015 The ATF was beaten back on another bogus interpretation of their rules early last year; ATF ruled that a muzzle device was a "silencer" without even investigating if it lowered the sound of shots. The manufacturer sued the ATF, won, and got their interpretation overturned. I wonder if an ammo manufacturer can follow the same path...: http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/03/20/66348.htm Doesn't seem liike the ammo manufacturers are hurt by this. They can easily re-tool to use a different bullet or might be able to source bullets that fit the existing machinery. The ban on imports will mean less competition, higher prices, and more sales. It's a win for domestic manufacturers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,871 Posted February 27, 2015 Doesn't seem liike the ammo manufacturers are hurt by this. They can easily re-tool to use a different bullet or might be able to source bullets that fit the existing machinery. The ban on imports will mean less competition, higher prices, and more sales. It's a win for domestic manufacturers. Domestic manufacturers are already running at full capacity and don't have issues selling off their production. Less competition and higher prices hurts all of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites