NJSP taking pictures of tattoos for FAID application??

[OfcrFek 21]

Not sure this is in the right area, and if it's not, I apologize. A friend who is using the NJSP Red Lion Police Barracks for their FID application just texted me saying she was told she has to set up an appt to get photos taken of all her tattoos. I've never heard of this before, as Evesham PD never said anything like that when I applied years ago. Everyone I've been asking if they were required to have photos taken of their ink when they applied for their FID look at me crazy. She said when her father applied for his FID over 5 years ago, they made him do it too. Has anyone else been requested for photos of their tattoos? Is this something new, or something I have her contact NJA2 about??

[bhunted 887]

It's just more bs. Contact Scott Bach and let him know. They need a biotch slap. But just in case, get the big Kiss Tongue and Lips tattooed on your butt. That will cure them.

 

 

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[diamondd817 826]

What if she has a tattoo on her private parts? Who takes the photo?

 

Might as well just require mug shots too.

[TheMan 45]

Long Branch Pd took a photo of 2 and gave me the choice of which ones I wanted to be photographed. This was back in 2011.

[bhunted 887]

What if she has a tattoo on her private parts? Who takes the photo?

 

Might as well just require mug shots too.

 

Raising hand !

[fishnut 2,358]

Raritan twp just asked me for the location of my tattoos and then listed them on my FID card

[A-Tech 8]

Raritan twp just asked me for the location of my tattoos and then listed them on my FID card

It's really just 2 distinctive features, but mine is the same on my card.

 

Taking pictures for the FID is an absolute law breaker. That infuriates me

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

This requirement is in direct contravention of 2C:58-3,f which states, in part: There shall be no conditions or requirements added to the form or content of the application, or required by the licensing authority for the issuance of a permit or identification card, other than those that are specifically set forth in this chapter.

 

While there is a single line on the back of the FPID card itself, titled distinguishing physical characteristics, there is no corresponding field on the application, or other legal forms, from which to glean this information. Definitely in violation and needs to be brought to the attention of the ANJRPC.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

ETA: Thanks NEAHS - I missed that the application does ask for distinguishing physical characteristics. Still does not allow them to photograph them.

[jackandjill 683]

How do they know if she got tattoos, unless they are visible on drivers license photo or in plain view ?

[OfcrFek 21]

How do they know if she got tattoos, unless they are visible on drivers license photo or in plain view ?

Plain view... she has a lot of them.

[Howard 538]

Interesting, do you need the same for Food Stamps, Welfare, Section 8 housing?  No, oh then I get it  Law Suit time!!!

[Johnny 0]

That's going way too far. A disgusting abuse of power.

[1LtCAP 4,263]

that is because they vies this as a privilege, and no longer a right, as i'd mentioned in another thread......

[jackandjill 683]

Plain view... she has a lot of them.

And I guess none of them are "similar" to any known gang affiliations etc. Dont have to answer that.. regardless, I wouldnt let anyone take "all" pictures of them. You never know how someone would interpret them and where they get cataloged.

 

its lawsuit time.

[DeerSlayer 241]

My FID card lists my tattoos on the back, only locations on my body not photographs taken when I applied.

 

[diamondd817 826]

Maybe it's part of the new "administrative code" that nobody has seen yet.

[maintenanceguy 510]

Bridgeton NJSP Barracks is not doing this.  Odd that one NJSP station is doing thing differently than another.

[jackandjill 683]

My FID card lists my tattoos on the back, only locations on my body not photographs taken when I applied.

Who put them down on FPID and how did they collect that data ? Did you volunteer  that info as part of the initial application ?

[DeerSlayer 241]

Who put them down on FPID and how did they collect that data ? Did you volunteer that info as part of the initial application ?

Yeah it asked specifically on an extra form I filled out in 2003 when I applied. This was when I was still young and dumb to the actual laws. My town no longer gives out that form. Someone may have called NJ2AS on them two years ago.

[Old School 611]

Guess I may have to get "Shall not be infringed" Tattooed on my smeckle.

 

Maybe they'd like to see that.

[diamondd817 826]

Raising hand !

I'm serious about that. What if she has tattoos on her breasts, buttocks, etc? Does she have to strip naked so they can photograph her tattoos?

[bhunted 887]

Don't do it and fight it.

 

Incidentally, it does not ask for tattoos on the application. Mine are listed on my card too. Did I volunteer this info? Yes, many years ago. If I recall, the actual fid form says something to the affect, " Do you have any distinguishing marks on your body"... It does not ask about tattoos.

Writing down tattoos was what your mind said to do. But 'marks' could mean a mole, a beauty mark like Gorby has on his head, etc...I do not believe it is a required question. At least that's how I remember it.

 

 

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[NEAHS 11]

Who put them down on FPID and how did they collect that data ? Did you volunteer  that info as part of the initial application ?

Question #10 on the FPID/PPP application asks if you have any marks, scars, tattoos. That's were they obtain the info for the card itself.

 

http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/sts-033.pdf

[jackandjill 683]

Question #10 on the FPID/PPP application asks if you have any marks, scars, tattoos. That's were they obtain the info for the card itself.

 

http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/sts-033.pdf

I always left it empty and never was asked to fill it out.  I am not sure if they can "demand it", but taking pictures if far fetched. It looks like a trap. 

[OfcrFek 21]

So she just texted me and said she went to her appt to turn in the application forms and they never even brought up the part where they said they needed to take pictures. I'm not sure if she misunderstood or someone at the barracks told her false info, but they never asked to take the pics during the appt, only that she write the distinct features down for the card. Regardless, she said she knows a few people who WERE required to get their ink photo'd while applying thru that barracks, so I'm thinking they WERE doing that until someone told them the weren't legally allowed, and they stopped, but the one guy she initially talked to didnt get the memo or something.

[wweng 1]

never asked in eht

[OfcrFek 21]

I just talked to her a little more in depth, and I think they used to do it, but stopped. She said she specifically asked during the interview if they were going to be documenting her tattoos and the trooper said no, they don't do that anymore. I really think they used to but got in trouble for it, and the trooper she initially talked to didn't know they stopped.

[Stonecoldchavez 92]

What does this mean? "She said she specifically asked during the interview". What interview?

[OfcrFek 21]

Red Lion NJSP barracks (and Evesham when I applied for my FID) required a sit down "interview." Can't tell you what NJSP talked about, but EPD's "interview" was a guy explaining the whole application process and making small talk. I'm assuming it was the same for her.

[Stonecoldchavez 92]

I have never heard of this interview before. They are "assessing" her or you. There is no law requiring an interview. That is what NICS is for. No criminal record and you are good to go. That does not seem legal to do. I just spoke to someone who works at the Bordentown Barracks. No interview required nor mentioned. Pick up forms there or do them on line; bring in check or money order for the number of permits you want.