Collapsible Stock for Military & LEO Sales?

[Teky0101 6]

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if a gun shop based in NJ can legally sell collapsible and folding stocks to Military and Law Enforcement agencies? I realize that FFL's can have collapsible stocks in order to legalize them for civilians but can guns shops sell these types of unaltered stocks directly to Military and Law Enforcement agencies? 

[GRIZ 3,369]

No problem selling anything to agencies.

[GRIZ 3,369]

There is nothing illegal AFAIK for someone to own a collapsible stock although a constructive possession case might be made if you have one for an AR and have an AR. If you have one for a pump shotgun or firearm that does not fit into NJ AWB you can put it on and use it. A SKS with fixed magazine for example.

[DeerSlayer 241]

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if a gun shop based in NJ can legally sell collapsible and folding stocks to Military and Law Enforcement agencies? I realize that FFL's can have collapsible stocks in order to legalize them for civilians but can guns shops sell these types of unaltered stocks directly to Military and Law Enforcement agencies?

Yes an FFL can sell anything to Law enforcement agencies. They are exempt from the same rules we have to abide by.

 

[Kimber45 3]

Thats not really true... If the weapon is used for offical duty purposes than yes you can have the stock bayo lug and 30 rd mag. But if it is a personal weapon than it still has to follow state madates. My work issued weapons are non compliant but all my personal stuff is .ie pinned stock 15 rd max mags no bayo lug and shit no pew pew pew switch....

[Kimber45 3]

Oh yeah and if a dept dosent supply weapons or mags but allows them to be purchased by their own they would have to get a letter from their chief on dept letterhead allowing for such purchase. And that such equipment is for work only.

[boo 6]

G&S in Paterson claims possession of an assembled AR lower with a collapsible stock is illegal (ignoring the constructive possession issue), and if I had one sent to them, they wouldn't transfer to me without first pinning it. I know of at least a couple other FFLs that wouldn't have this issue, but just wondering if this sentiment is common.

[JT Custom Guns 956]

The area of confusion (on some buyers) part comes in when a LEO or enlisted service person

what to purchase what NJ would consider and "Assault Weapon" and they try to say that since

they are LEO / military they are exempt - they are not.

 

As stated above, if the "agency" (say a police dept) wants to purchase a Non-Compliant weapon

for the department, it can be sold to the agency, on their letterhead (and they pay for it).

 

Sometimes I get requests for Non-Compliant AR's and I'm told it's going to be their "duty weapon"

OK, but the agency needs to buy it and issue it to the LEO - no exceptions!

[1LtCAP 4,262]

Yes an FFL can sell anything to Law enforcement agencies. They are exempt from the same rules we have to abide by.

which is wrong. the law should apply equally.

[Dan 177]

Anyone can order up collapsible and folding stocks and posses them legally, provided they don't have an SA rifle that the part would be capable of having it break the evil feature rules test. Or are you referring to them already installed on a SA rifle? In that case, you can have a collapsible stock on a SA rifle provided you use that as your evil part allowance.

[vladtepes 1,060]

I had a collapsible AR stock while living in NJ... it was on my mossberg 500 pump shotgun.. 

[checko 180]

I had a collapsible AR stock while living in NJ... it was on my mossberg 500 pump shotgun..

Did you have an ar too? Tsk tsk

 

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[vladtepes 1,060]

Did you have an ar too? Tsk tsk

 

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I did actually..

[Dan 177]

As long as the other AR stocks were permanently attached, there is no problem owning a collapsing AR stock on a pump shotgun since it can't be attached to the AR's due to the already existing permanently attached stocks. No constructive possession.

[checko 180]

As long as the other AR stocks were permanently attached, there is no problem owning a collapsing AR stock on a pump shotgun since it can't be attached to the AR's due to the already existing permanently attached stocks. No constructive possession.

How do you "permanently attach" an ar stock? I only tighten up my castle nut maybe with a little loctite. Also blind pinning isn't generally considered permanent.

 

my comment to vladtepes was more or less on jest anyway.

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[Dan 177]

How do you "permanently attach" an ar stock? I only tighten up my castle nut maybe with a little loctite.

 

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I'm talking about the collapsible stock being permanently attached to the buffer tube. I suppose if the shotgun AR stock used a real AR buffer tube, that can get into constructive possession territory.

[checko 180]

I'm talking about the collapsible stock being permanently attached to the buffer tube. I suppose if the shotgun AR stock used a real AR buffer tube, that can get into constructive possession territory.

I edited post while you were writing this one. I know where you're going but NJ doesn't really mandate permanent attachment of stocks and most people I know don't have it that way anyway.

 

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[Dan 177]

I edited post while you were writing this one. I know where you're going but NJ doesn't really mandate permanent attachment of stocks and most people I know don't have it that way anyway.

 

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I want to clarify what I mean by permanently attaching a stock... i am talking about turning a collapsible (aka telecoping) stock into a non-collapsible stock so it doesn't count towards the evil features list. This is nothing to do with the buffer or rifle tube attachment to the lower.

[checko 180]

I want to clarify what I mean by permanently attaching a stock... i am talking about turning a collapsible (aka telecoping) stock into a non-collapsible stock so it doesn't count towards the evil features list. This is nothing to do with the buffer or rifle tube attachment to the lower.

Well it just can't collapse on the rifle it's on. if you throw a roll pin in it, it could satisfy the assault weapon law but still easy enough to remove. Honestly it's splitting hairs and I brought it up just to be a pain in the ass

 

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[Dan 177]

Well it just can't collapse on the rifle it's on. if you throw a roll pin in it, it could satisfy the assault weapon law but still easy enough to remove. Honestly it's splitting hairs and I brought it up just to be a pain in the ass

 

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Ah, gotcha. Yea, roll pin to me is permanent enough. The last thing I want to get started is a philosophical discussion.  I just use permanent because it implies that the stock can't collapse any longer satisfying the law (which you are correct that it says nothing about permanent or guidelines on how to modify a collapsing stock for that matter). I figure saying permanent is easier then saying to "make it so it is kinda difficult to make it be able to collapse/telescope again".

[Rob0115 1,105]

I did actually..

Technically a crime since you could have switched it from your shotgun to your AR.

[raz-0 1,259]

Thats not really true... If the weapon is used for offical duty purposes than yes you can have the stock bayo lug and 30 rd mag. But if it is a personal weapon than it still has to follow state madates. My work issued weapons are non compliant but all my personal stuff is .ie pinned stock 15 rd max mags no bayo lug and shit no pew pew pew switch....

 

Yes that would be the agency bit of "to agencies".

 

IIRC they can also sell it to you directly if you have the right paperwork on department letterhead. No idea how you go about handling the disposition of firearms personally purchased for work that are non-compliant once you ceases working for said agency though. 

[vladtepes 1,060]

Technically a crime since you could have switched it from your shotgun to your AR.

 

I permanantly altered the buffer tube on the shotgun by putting a sock in it.. so it wouldn't work on an AR..  

[Rob0115 1,105]

Ah that's good but you're a free man now over the boarder in PA.