Uh Oh! Somebody messed up...

[jm1827 284]

He probably had those foam earplugs in. I know i cant hear well from using howitzers with no ear protection and with those in Even with the amplifying hearing protection i cant hear crap. I could see it. On another note. The military is thinking of using comps on the rifles. Yeah ok. Three rounds. Your freakin deaf with ringing for two days.

I completely agree, and he may have doubled up on protection, plugs and muffs, I couldn't tell what he had on in the video.  But I know when I am shooting a large caliber pistol in the pits I double up and I can't hear a thing.

 

Very scary indeed.

[Vlad G 345]

Rumor has it the guy picking brass is very hard of hearing.

 

The bad news is this sort of thing happens, but not very often. This is the WORST I have ever seen or heard of, and we shoot a LOT of stages every year around the country.

 

I will confess that as an RO I've made a similar mistake once. The circumstances were different, the stage much more difficult to visually clear (through the woods and valleys), and no shots were fired, but as an RO it was entirely my mistake, my fault, and my responsibility.  Since then, if I can not see the ENTIRE stage from the start position, if I have the timer, I make sure to be the last person walking back from the stage before I start the next shooter.

 

I'm not sorry this was posted. There are 1000 videos out there of people doing really dumb ass stupid things with guns, this isn't one of them. This is an example of what can happen when you aren't being an idiot but lose focus. It needs to be a shown at every RO class and at the start of every match on a big screen projection screen.  It is all fun and games, but we need to pay attention.

[mipafox 438]

I'm sitting yelling, whoa!!!! Whoooa! What the Frack! Holy shit!

 

How about

 

"CEASE FIRE! CEASE FIRE! CEASE FIRE!"

 

You got four guys standing there looking at each other and nobody got the attention of the entire range as far as I can tell. Everything has to stop at that point, who knows WTF is going to happen next. It should be reflex when something goes wrong.

[bhunted 887]

How about

 

"CEASE FIRE! CEASE FIRE! CEASE FIRE!"

 

You got four guys standing there looking at each other and nobody got the attention of the entire range as far as I can tell. Everything has to stop at that point, who knows WTF is going to happen next. It should be reflex when something goes wrong.

Why? I'm on my couch. They can't hear me. My comments were just me leading up to holy shit!

 

 

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[Vlad G 345]

The command correct is STOP.  It is short, clear and can't easily be confused with other things and even the lizard brain can figure it out. It also means the same thing in a number of languages which helps when people are non-native speakers and translate stuff in their head.

[mipafox 438]

Rumor has it the guy picking brass is very hard of hearing.

 

Brass vultures? Good grief. I've had guys jump in front of my bench when I was shooting full auto and changing mags at open ranges. Guys picking up brass off my table and then start going through my shit because it looks like maybe some got in my range bag. Never again. I won't let those people anywhere near me.

[mipafox 438]

The command correct is STOP.  It is short, clear and can't easily be confused with other things and even the lizard brain can figure it out.

Cease Fire is correct, you and I just went to different schools

 

Regardless, start yelling something for crying out loud!

[Vlad G 345]

No, you are incorrect. The correct command is STOP.

 

USPSA: http://www.uspsa.org/document_library/rules/2014/Feb%202014%20Handgun%20Rules.pdf rule 8.3.5

IDPA: http://members.idpa.com/Content/Rules/x2gukat1.wyt.pdf rule 2.3.1, 2.9, etc

3GN: http://3gunnation.com/regionals/rules_awards rule 12.4

 

I could go on, but in ALL practical shooting sports the correct command is STOP.

 

What you were taught at different schools is irrelevant, as this was competitive event and if there is one thing that all action shooting games have in common is that.

 

I'm not being mean or rude here, but it is very important that people know the rules of the games they are playing and the commands involved.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

For USPSA/IDPA/other competitions, the command is Stop.  I can say Stop really loud and quick vs Cease Fire.  Probably 3-1 ratio

 

Not only that if it's an international IPSC competition - cease fire may mean nothing to someone from another country that speaks another language - however if they are trained to hear "stop" then they will stop much faster.

[mipafox 438]

It's cool, Vlad, I'll inform Fort Benning for you

[Vlad G 345]

It's cool, Vlad, I'll inform Fort Benning for you

 

That cool. Ask them when they plan on running 3gun matches again.

[Smokin .50 1,907]

Even though we don't HAVE a Rule Book to refer too, as Match Director at OBRPC's PPC League, I've chosen to adopt the Action League's STOP command for several reasons:

 

1. Continuity among the club's various shooting disciplines means skills and commands learned at one are transferable to the others, with SAFETY being the MOST important!

 

2.  PPC has (6) Shooters simultaneously engaging targets on a common Firing Line, so a single-syllable, forceful COMMAND is easier to be heard.

 

3.  As already mentioned, STOP breaks language barriers.

 

4.  Our League has also adopted several other range commands from USPSA:

    a.  THE LINE IS HOT!

    b.  LOAD AND MAKE READY! (we use the older way w/ "LOAD")

    c.  SLIDE FORWARD, HAMMER DOWN, HOLSTER!  (All six hand guns cleared and visibly checked individually by the RO).

    d.  Action Shooters that visit our League only on occasion have ZERO issues with conforming to our slightly different (allowing for a common, 6-Shooter firing line) range commands.

 

Running a SAFE Range means you have to TRUST the folks who volunteer to help you.  It also means it's YOUR responsibility as Match Director to have TRAINED RO's to do the work!

 

Dave

[Vlad G 345]

This is a solid writeup: http://www.recoilweb.com/viral-video-unplanned-targets-61237.html

[Smokin .50 1,907]

This is a solid writeup: http://www.recoilweb.com/viral-video-unplanned-targets-61237.html

GREAT write-up and thanks for posting it!

[Krdshrk 3,877]

That's another reason why I highly recommend for shooters to take the USPSA/NROI Range Officer course.  You learn how to be a better RO and be safer - and therefore make it safer for everyone else.

[PD2K 115]

Just wow...

[SgtToadette 59]

Even though we don't HAVE a Rule Book to refer too, as Match Director at OBRPC's PPC League, I've chosen to adopt the Action League's STOP command for several reasons:

 

1. Continuity among the club's various shooting disciplines means skills and commands learned at one are transferable to the others, with SAFETY being the MOST important!

 

2. PPC has (6) Shooters simultaneously engaging targets on a common Firing Line, so a single-syllable, forceful COMMAND is easier to be heard.

 

3. As already mentioned, STOP breaks language barriers.

 

4. Our League has also adopted several other range commands from USPSA:

a. THE LINE IS HOT!

b. LOAD AND MAKE READY! (we use the older way w/ "LOAD")

c. SLIDE FORWARD, HAMMER DOWN, HOLSTER! (All six hand guns cleared and visibly checked individually by the RO).

d. Action Shooters that visit our League only on occasion have ZERO issues with conforming to our slightly different (allowing for a common, 6-Shooter firing line) range commands.

 

Running a SAFE Range means you have to TRUST the folks who volunteer to help you. It also means it's YOUR responsibility as Match Director to have TRAINED RO's to do the work!

 

Dave

I've always disliked the "Slide forward, hammer down, holster" command. So many people simply rack the slide and pull the trigger immediately afterwards. They never give enough time for the RO to visually look inside the chamber and verify it clear. All it takes is for a shooter to forget to drop a loaded mag and you're going to have a ND. I've personally seen it happen.

 

I always rack the slide several times and then hold it open for the RO to inspect the chamber BEFORE I put the "slide forward" and then "hammer down". The entire time also making sure I can see through the ejection port and down and out the magwell.

 

People get way too complacent with this command and it irritates me. The command should really be: "chamber open, slide forward, hammer down, holster".

 

/rant

[Krdshrk 3,877]

I've always disliked the "Slide forward, hammer down, holster" command. So many people simply rack the slide and pull the trigger immediately afterwards. They never give enough time for the RO to visually look inside the chamber and verify it clear. All it takes is for a shooter to forget to drop a loaded mag and you're going to have a ND. I've personally seen it happen.

 

I always rack the slide several times and then hold it open for the RO to inspect the chamber BEFORE I put the "slide forward" and then "hammer down". The entire time also making sure I can see through the ejection port and down and out the magwell.

 

People get way too complacent with this command and it irritates me. The command should really be: "chamber open, slide forward, hammer down, holster".

 

/rant

 

That's why for USPSA/IPSC, it's "If you are finished, unload and show clear.  If Clear, Hammer Down, Holster."

[heaterbob 53]

I've always disliked the "Slide forward, hammer down, holster" command. So many people simply rack the slide and pull the trigger immediately afterwards. They never give enough time for the RO to visually look inside the chamber and verify it clear. All it takes is for a shooter to forget to drop a loaded mag and you're going to have a ND. I've personally seen it happen.

 

I always rack the slide several times and then hold it open for the RO to inspect the chamber BEFORE I put the "slide forward" and then "hammer down". The entire time also making sure I can see through the ejection port and down and out the magwell.

 

People get way too complacent with this command and it irritates me. The command should really be: "chamber open, slide forward, hammer down, holster".

 

/rant

you don,t let the slide go forward until the R O says to. thats after he has checked the chamber.

[ronhonda 86]

I have asked several times to "let me see clear" if the shooter is in a go fast mode.

[SgtToadette 59]

you don,t let the slide go forward until the R O says to. thats after he has checked the chamber.

 

There's what people are supposed to do and then there's what people actually do.

[Vlad G 345]

There's what people are supposed to do and then there's what people actually do.

 

Err .. if I see an RO who doesn't do that I remind them firmly. If I see a shooter who wants to rush they don't leave the line until they cleared the gun in a way I can see it.

 

Im my experience most people are pretty good about that one.

[Kingsoverqueens 10]

It's cool, Vlad, I'll inform Fort Benning for you

When you do ask them if we can shoot a USPSA event there.  That would be cool.

 

Ranges commands for our sport are just those...commands...for our sport.

 

Stop.  

[Kingsoverqueens 10]

There's what people are supposed to do and then there's what people actually do.

People are supposed to follow range commands.

 

And the ones who are giving the commands are supposed to know what they are.

 

Make Ready.  Not load and make ready.  Not the line is hot eyes and ears sight picture with an unloaded gun then load and make read.

 

Make Ready.  That's it.

 

Are you ready?  (shooters lack of response indicates ready)

 

(RO initiates timer and observes shooter during the stage)

 

If finished, unload and show clear.

 

If clear, hammer down, holster.

 

Range is clear.

 

That's it.  So simple.

[Kingsoverqueens 10]

Since then, if I can not see the ENTIRE stage from the start position, if I have the timer, I make sure to be the last person walking back from the stage before I start the next shooter.

 

I do that every time, period.  Aside from confirming the stage is reset properly (another RO responsibility) then I know the range is clear.  My son is a brass whore and so you can understand why. lol

[alec.mc 180]

People are supposed to follow range commands.

 

And the ones who are giving the commands are supposed to know what they are.

 

Make Ready. Not load and make ready. Not the line is hot eyes and ears sight picture with an unloaded gun then load and make read.

 

Make Ready. That's it.

 

Are you ready? (shooters lack of response indicates ready)

 

(RO initiates timer and observes shooter during the stage)

 

If finished, unload and show clear.

 

If clear, hammer down, holster.

 

Range is clear.

 

That's it. So simple.

If you RO'D like that for me, I'd be pretty pissed.

 

No *standby*? That's the most important part!

[Kingsoverqueens 10]

You're a grand master...you knew it was coming. lol

 

I was so fixated on how the make ready command gets "enhanced" that I missed the standby. lol

 

My bad. :embarrassed:

[Smokin .50 1,907]

I've always disliked the "Slide forward, hammer down, holster" command. So many people simply rack the slide and pull the trigger immediately afterwards. They never give enough time for the RO to visually look inside the chamber and verify it clear. All it takes is for a shooter to forget to drop a loaded mag and you're going to have a ND. I've personally seen it happen.

 

I always rack the slide several times and then hold it open for the RO to inspect the chamber BEFORE I put the "slide forward" and then "hammer down". The entire time also making sure I can see through the ejection port and down and out the magwell.

 

People get way too complacent with this command and it irritates me. The command should really be: "chamber open, slide forward, hammer down, holster".

 

/rant

I've already DQ'd Shooters who can't listen to the commands to show clear.  We do things SLIGHTLY different, and for good reason.

 

You may not have had the experience of always clearing an entire firing line of 6 Shooters that's at SLIDE LOCK.  Our League uses just 6 rounds in a mag & goes to slide-lock with each mag change.  So in my case, we train our RO's to check for mags left in frames, then look down the pipe, and THEN give the "Slide forward, hammer down, holster" command.  We never encounter "problem children" and also inform Browning Hi Power owners (and others w/mag disconnect) to use a spare empty mag to insert into the frame prior to "slide forward......"  Nobody at PPC is ejecting live rounds into the air and trying to catch them while clearing their guns, lol!  We save the drama for you ACTION guys....

[SgtToadette 59]

That sounds "NY Approved" to me