Shocker 150 Posted March 25, 2015 This product isn't new but its new to me, saw it in the current American Rifleman http://www.lawtactical.com/ar_folding_stock_adapter_gen_3_p/2014003.htm The curious thing to me is that (assuming the stock was pinned not to telescope) the stock, when unfolded, acts like a normal AR. But when you fold it the rifle becomes single shot (in fact you have to unfold the stock to work the charging handle). So... Folded = single shot rifle Unfolded = fixed stock semi auto rifle ...NJ legal? I guess 2C:39 says you can NOT have a "semi auto rifle" blah blah "with a folding stock", however once the folding is realized the rifle is no longer semi auto!. In other words, for all intents and purposes, you are removing the receiver extension same as if you unscrewed the retaining nut, albeit in a faster manner. Anyway. That's what I was thinking about to go to sleep last night. Ha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted March 25, 2015 NJ would probably say once a semi always a semi so "NO" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted March 25, 2015 When it is unfolded, you have a semi-auto rifle that can have it stock folded so .. yeah don't try stretching the wording to much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted March 25, 2015 Is not the Kel-Tec Sub2k legal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted March 25, 2015 Double-tap Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted March 25, 2015 Is not the Kel-Tec Sub2k legal? I'm not 100% on this, but I don't think the Sub2K will fire at all when folded. That is the distinction that makes them OK. The Law Folding Adapter adapter will still allow the rifle to fire once. ETA: Also in this state, I don't think Prosecutor's, judges, juries, or most police are gun-savvy enough to make the distinction between semi auto and single shot you are talking about here, or would care to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shocker 150 Posted March 25, 2015 I don't know a great deal about the Sub 2k but it doesn't look like a folding stock so much as a folding barrel. Like a 10/22 Takedown with a hinge I should clarify, though...I didn't think this Law stock was actually legal, I was more wondering how the code would be perverted to preclude it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
effd27145 0 Posted March 26, 2015 The Sub 2K cannot fire at all when it is folded as it is the barrel that separates from the receiver. Not the stock from the receiver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted March 26, 2015 the sub k does not have a folding stock.. the entire gun folds.. the law adapter is a folding stock as it is just the stock folding nj law does not state that the gun can or can not fire while the stock is folded.. the law just saying semi auto with a folding stock.. thus IMO the law adapter is not legal in NJ on a semi auto AR15 regardless as to if it can or can not fire while folded.. folded gun.. folding stock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted March 26, 2015 Wait. The stock doesn't fold. The adapter folds. Bazinga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted March 26, 2015 Wait. The stock doesn't fold. The adapter folds. Bazinga LOL then by all means.. go for it.. = ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtToadette 59 Posted April 1, 2015 This is actually a surprisingly interesting thought. Seems like the spirit of the law would want it to be illegal, but the letter of the law doesn't cover it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted April 1, 2015 $230 which allows you to fold the stock, and only fire one shot? Huge waste of money, even if it was legal. Besides, when will any of us ever need to transport a rifle in a fashion that requires folding the stock? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted April 1, 2015 when will any of us ever need to transport a rifle in a fashion that requires folding the stock? If we buy a case that's too small? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwamp2006 1 Posted April 1, 2015 i. A semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following: (1) A folding or telescoping stock; (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (3) A bayonet mount; (4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and (5) A grenade launcher; Cleary it says "or" what if you have a telescoping "and" folding stock..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted April 2, 2015 If we buy a case that's too small? I'm assuming that this is a sarcastic response. In case it's not, that's what the takedown pins are for. AR15.com's takedown case is pretty small, and I can fit my AR with an Aimpoint PRO and Surefire flashlight, 4 AR 15/20 mags, 1911, and 2 1911 mags in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted April 2, 2015 Semi-sarcastic. I have a small SMG bag that I use for Airsoft. Fits an Airsoft H&K G36c with it's stock folded... works out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted April 2, 2015 If we buy a case that's too small? $230 buys you a hell of a replacement case Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted April 3, 2015 This is actually a surprisingly interesting thought. Seems like the spirit of the law would want it to be illegal, but the letter of the law doesn't cover it. imo the stock.. which is attached to the buffer tube.. is still folding.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted April 21, 2015 $230 buys you a hell of a replacement case While the CDI factor is high, the juice ain't worth the squeeze unless you are working some kind of VIP protection, low profile security, or vehicle ops gig. If you are, I am sure you will be issued appropriate gear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted April 21, 2015 While the CDI factor is high, the juice ain't worth the squeeze unless you are working some kind of VIP protection, low profile security, or vehicle ops gig. If you are, I am sure you will be issued appropriate gear. Unfortunately my employer only issues us .38s and a few Mossberg 500s with less lethal rounds. Hopefully my team will have a chance to save the life of a dignitary or the Mayor's nephew, so that they will relax the rules for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted April 21, 2015 Unfortunately my employer only issues us .38s and a few Mossberg 500s with less lethal rounds. Hopefully my team will have a chance to save the life of a dignitary or the Mayor's nephew, so that they will relax the rules for us. G45, You still duct taping plates to your back? Don't forget to protect the Mayor's nephew's virginity so Todd at SW can get you the gear you need. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites