SAPPA news: Briefs filed!

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

I received this from TPATH this morning:

 

 

 

Dear Readers,

For several months now we have been reporting on the over two year effort by Mr. Nicholas Purpura to prepare a legal brief which will restore the civil rights of not just citizens of New Jersey but those in the entire country.

 

The SAPPA Group and TPATH, in support of Mr. Purpura, is by this communication reporting that the Federal Brief has been filed in the District Court of Trenton, it has been accepted and issued a Docket Number.  A Federal Judge has been assigned to the case.

 

Also, all of the Defendants named in this legal action have been served and issued a hard copy of the brief. 

 

There is too much information to post here in this communication. So please click any one of the several links on this page to connect to the SAPPA Group web page where you will find the following information and data.

1. A link to download the final brief as submitted
   
2. A link to the complete list of Exhibits which support the brief
   
3. Information on the filing and how you can help
   
4. A copy of the Press Release which will be sent to local and national media outlets
   
5. An article by RoseAnn Salanitri "The 2015 Battle in Trenton"
   

Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines, we are about to Rock and Roll.

 

Warm Regards from the SAPPA Group

Dwight Kehoe

RoseAnn Salanitri

Rem Hunnewell

Nicholas Purpura

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I received this from TPATH this morning:

 

 

 

Dear Readers,

For several months now we have been reporting on the over two year effort by Mr. Nicholas Purpura to prepare a legal brief which will restore the civil rights of not just citizens of New Jersey but those in the entire country.

 

The SAPPA Group and TPATH, in support of Mr. Purpura, is by this communication reporting that the Federal Brief has been filed in the District Court of Trenton, it has been accepted and issued a Docket Number.  A Federal Judge has been assigned to the case.

 

Also, all of the Defendants named in this legal action have been served and issued a hard copy of the brief. 

 

There is too much information to post here in this communication. So please click any one of the several links on this page to connect to the SAPPA Group web page where you will find the following information and data.

 

[*]A link to download the final brief as submitted

[*]A link to the complete list of Exhibits which support the brief

The links are too big to put here?

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

 

The links are too big to put here?

 

He's too lazy to post the direct link to the brief, you're too lazy to go to the SAPPA main page and get the link from there.  A perfect storm of laziness!

 

The SAPPA "brief" (quotes, because brevity is not one of its qualities...):

 

http://nebula.wsimg.com/0a10087cb49efbec9fe0d78a59490367?AccessKeyId=3221A0C50080D1C903B6&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

[mipafox 438]

Thank you. This announcement just seemed a little odd and I didn't feel like going to the site. It seemed like it was designed to generate traffic. No offense.

 

Yeah, brevity, it is good to know the filing was accepted, a number issued, the parking ticket validation was honored when they left the parking garage, and the Easy Pass bill confirms their trip to Trenton on the stated date

[Krdshrk 3,877]

 

The SAPPA "brief" (quotes, because brevity is not one of its qualities...):

 

http://nebula.wsimg.com/0a10087cb49efbec9fe0d78a59490367?AccessKeyId=3221A0C50080D1C903B6&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

 

tl;dr

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

 

 

 

tl;dr

 

 

Heh.

 

Would appreciate it if a legal beagle would weigh in on this - I have no legal chops, but the writing style sure raises the hairs on the back of my neck and makes me wonder if I've stumbled into sovereign-citizen-taxes-don't-apply-to-me-because-the-fringe-on-the-courthouse-flag-is-naval-pattern land.

[mipafox 438]

Heh.

 

Would appreciate it if a legal beagle would weigh in on this - I have no legal chops, but the writing style sure raises the hairs on the back of my neck and makes me wonder if I've stumbled into sovereign-citizen-taxes-don't-apply-to-me-because-the-fringe-on-the-courthouse-flag-is-naval-pattern land.

I appreciate what these guys are trying to do. It has seemed to me like there was a strange tone to the language and presentation of this since it was first brought to our attention. But civil rights lawsuits are not something I know anything about and I doubt I could have any informed comment on the thing unless I read through it and found a dirty limerick or something.

 

We have people here that met with some of these guys. Did any of them look like Chief Kessler or the ShamWow guy?

[DeerSlayer 241]

I appreciate what these guys are trying to do. It has seemed to me like there was a strange tone to the language and presentation of this since it was first brought to our attention. But civil rights lawsuits are not something I know anything about and I doubt I could have any informed comment on the thing unless I read through it and found a dirty limerick or something.

 

We have people here that met with some of these guys. Did any of them look like Chief Kessler or the ShamWow guy?

I met Ms. RoseAnn Salanitri (one of the sites contributors) at an NJ2AS meeting. She seemed pretty normal to me. Looks like she could be any one of our mothers. We'll articulated and appears educated as well. She had good questions for Alexander. And even interacted with Newtonian, when he went off on one of his tangents attempting to calm him down lol...

 

[RootSki 5]

I read it.  It seems worded well, lol.  

 

So what happens next?

[owadj01 0]

I would guess we sit and wait and hope this judge isn't in concert with all branches of our state government and some federal judges.

[Malsua 1,422]

I just read it, or at least enough of it.

 

This will be summarily dismissed.

[1LtCAP 4,262]

i managed to read some of it. i don't know law enough to know what chance it really has.

[Malsua 1,422]

i managed to read some of it. i don't know law enough to know what chance it really has.

 

Read a brief from the Second Amendment Foundation by Alan Guru then compare it to this one.  He has said the courts will only review established precedents on narrowly targeted questions.   This brief is essentially says "plaintiff can't carry a gun, his rights have been violated and the courts have colluded to violate his rights, therefore you have to grant rights to everyone."   It's more nuanced than that, but that's pretty much how a judge will see it and dismiss it.   It's blaming the entire legal system for denying the civil rights of the plaintiff.   There is no narrow legal question to be answered here therefore the courts will simply dismiss it.

[quikz 34]

Just hopped out of my newly constructed time machine... D.O.A.

 

Sorry folks. Very sorry...

 

Mars terraforma, the easier solution.

[swilliams 0]

One of the forum members over at NYFirearms posted about this, so I thought I'd hop over and see what the take on it was.  The brief seems very different than what I've become used to reading, and being in NY, I've had the misfortune to read quite a bit.  Who knows, though.

[1LtCAP 4,262]

Read a brief from the Second Amendment Foundation by Alan Guru then compare it to this one.  He has said the courts will only review established precedents on narrowly targeted questions.   This brief is essentially says "plaintiff can't carry a gun, his rights have been violated and the courts have colluded to violate his rights, therefore you have to grant rights to everyone."   It's more nuanced than that, but that's pretty much how a judge will see it and dismiss it.   It's blaming the entire legal system for denying the civil rights of the plaintiff.   There is no narrow legal question to be answered here therefore the courts will simply dismiss it.

BIG PART....BIG MISTAKE.

[Kevin125 4,772]

If it's gets dismissed out of the gate, what a colossal waste of effort it will have been.  We'll know soon enough.

[Kevin125 4,772]

I appreciate what these guys are trying to do. It has seemed to me like there was a strange tone to the language and presentation of this since it was first brought to our attention. But civil rights lawsuits are not something I know anything about and I doubt I could have any informed comment on the thing unless I read through it and found a dirty limerick or something.

 

We have people here that met with some of these guys. Did any of them look like Chief Kessler or the ShamWow guy?

 

That was what struck me as a bit odd. It read a little like an opinion piece.  At least parts of it.  If I'm a judge, I want to see what you're arguing and what facts you have to make your case. And is what your arguing something the courts can address.  I'm no lawyer or judge, but I didn't see a clear argument here.  It was kind of all over the place.

 

And I hope their effort won't be a waste of time, but I'm having a hard time being optimistic about it.  Glad they're trying though.  Maybe it will help in some way.

[1LtCAP 4,262]

THE wording "you have to grant everyone rights" is bad. they can only stop restricting them.

[Scorpio64 5,147]

The wording in legal documents is tricky business.  It has to be technically correct, yet understandable by people with an 8th grade education.  Not only understandable, but it has to appeal to the common man, i.e. if a jury thinks the plaintiff is a smarmy know it all pompous ass, they are less likely to judge in  favor of the plaintiff.

 

I do agree that the way it was put together seems amateurish and not what I was expecting to be the culmination of two years of preparation.  It reads as if one person was writing some parts, and other parts by some other person(s).  None the less, in spite of the poor wording choices and sometimes bombastic style, it appears that all of the elements of a logical fact based argument are there.

 

Let's not forget,  SAPPA's ultimate goal here is to have this case heard by SCOTUS. We all know that the NJ legal system will try to kill this case in it's infancy.  I would not say it is DOA in it's current form.  If the plaintiffs are smart (and I hope they are) They are using this brief to elicit a response (intelligence gathering) which will be used in a later filing.

 

To all of the armchair lawyers out there;  If you think you can do better, then do it!  Please stop berating the efforts SAPPA is making.  Even if it is ill conceived, at least they are doing something, Lead, follow or get out of the way.

[Kevin125 4,772]

THE wording "you have to grant everyone rights" is bad. they can only stop restricting them.

 

Correct.  Rights aren't granted by the gov't.  We are born with them.  A gov't can only infringe or acknowledge them.  The second ammendment simply  reminds the gov't that they shall not prevent the people from keeping and bearing arms.  NJ and a few other states seem to have lost that page in their copy of the Constitution because they clearly are preventing people from keeping and bearing arms.