Another PA man faces NJ gun charges

[1LtCAP 4,262]

Excellent analogy

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no, it's not really.  there was no permit involved. thus there was no need for that kid to know the rules.

[tattooo 220]

no, it's not really. there was no permit involved. thus there was no need for that kid to know the rules.

We can agree to disagree.....

[maintenanceguy 510]

no, it's not really.  there was no permit involved. thus there was no need for that kid to know the rules.

 

1LtCAP, can I assume from your user name that you are involved in the enforcement of NJ's gun laws?

[1LtCAP 4,262]

1LtCAP, can I assume from your user name that you are involved in the enforcement of NJ's gun laws?

nosir. 1lt civil air patrol.

[Albanian 121]

+1 to the post above (my quote dosnt work)

How many of you guys that carry with A Non Resident permit are unaware of the laws in the States that you carry in?

I know them and if I screw up I pay the price.

 

Tough on him, Know the laws where you are!

The laws are in violation of the constitution, the law of the land.

[magnawing 5]

Being a resident and a Licensed Handgun Carrier of Texas, the only reason I know of NJ's asinine gun laws is because I escaped that commie shithole after 20+ years. Other than that, I wouldn't have any clue as to how f'ed up your gun laws are.

 

I've recently been working from MS up to IL and had to stop in the middle of the Paducah ghetto to remove and lock up my sidearm before crossing the bridge into IL, which is almost as bad as NJ for CCW. But at least IL residents can get a carry permit in their own state.

 

 

This signature is AWESOME!!!

[remixer 1,645]

Why does that mean Federal involvement?  Driver's licenses are administered by individual states only, but are honored in all 50 states.

I think hes referring to the law that would make carry legal in all states is a Federal one... The states would never do such a thing

[bdhszy1 18]

 Imagine if the fines and mandatory prison time that apply to gun laws were applied to other "crimes" out of state people commit in New Jersey. Jailed because someone from Iowa didn't have their lights on when it started to rain? What about someone from Florida getting a felony conviction for "failure to keep to the right" on a highway where there is no such law in Florida? Where is the common sense of these officers arresting PA citizens, knowing that it is going to turn the lives of those arrested up side down? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there is a huge problem of law abiding PA citizens with CCW permits crossing over to NJ with the sole purpose of committing armed robbery. If that is the case, I stand corrected.

[Guest]

http://www.nj.com/burlington/index.ssf/2015/11/pa_man_jailed_for_having_handgun_in_nj_without_pro.html

 

A Pennsylvania man was arrested Sunday after city police found him in a vehicle with a loaded handgun placed between the front seats. While the man had a permit to carry said weapon in Pennsylvania, he didn't have the same privilege in the Garden State.

 

Long passed time to have carry permits valid in all 50 states, just like driver's licenses.

Driving IS NOT a Constitutional Right, keeping and bearing arms, is.

[CMJeepster 2,777]

"Glenn Reynolds: How gun laws put the innocent on trial" http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/11/09/glenn-reynolds-gun-control-enforcement-takes-human-toll-column/75414186/

[mipafox 438]

Driving IS NOT a Constitutional Right, keeping and bearing arms, is.

Why do you say that?

[jackandjill 683]

CMJ - Glenn explains in simple yet effective terms.  Its a shame that Judicial System doesn't want to stand up for what even a regular Joe knows to be gross violation of Due Process. People that Glenn refers to, usually campaign against death penalty, all the while instituting mandatory "Felony" charges for trivial acts of possession.  

 

Decent, fair, progressive society would not entertain Felony charges for Malum prohibitum. And an ideal society would not have any Malum prohibitum to begin with. 

[Guest]

Why do you say that?

the OP is comparing a driving license to a carry permit

[mipafox 438]

the OP is comparing a driving license to a carry permit

I wanted to know what you meant by, "Driving IS NOT a Constitutional Right, keeping and bearing arms, is."

[Guest]

I wanted to know what you meant by, "Driving IS NOT a Constitutional Right, keeping and bearing arms, is."

What part don't you understand?

 

Do you believe we have a Constitutional right to drive? Driving is a privilege granted by the state and that privilege can be taken away

[WP22 1,558]

Why do you say that?

 

Because that's what we've been endocrinated to belive.

[maintenanceguy 510]

What part don't you understand?

 

Do you believe we have a Constitutional right to drive? Driving is a privilege granted by the state and that privilege can be taken away

 

We're way off topic here but...the 9th amendment covers any rights that might have been overlooked in the bill of rights.

 

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

 

I would argue that the right to travel freely is clearly a right of a free person.  In today's world, travel is no longer done on foot or by horse.  If the 1st amendment applies to the internet and the 2nd amendment applies to semi-autos, the human right to travel freely applies to cars.

 

Now, there wasn't any problem with the government attempting to infringe on the right to travel in 1781.  So this right wasn't on the minds of the writers of the Bill of Rights.  Just because the government prints in the drivers manual that something is a privilege doesn't make it so.

 

Everything is a right of free people until some government decides to regulate it and turn it into a privilege.

[mipafox 438]

What part don't you understand?

 

Do you believe we have a Constitutional right to drive? Driving is a privilege granted by the state and that privilege can be taken away

I believe it is under the 9th Amendment as much as keep and bear arms is under the 2nd Amendment. Neither of which apply to the States, as "incorporation" is Progressive nonsense by the courts, because commies are upset it is too hard to pass Amendments to The Constitution.

 

Driving is a privilege granted by the state? Why don't you use your mind and think about that for a minute. The only reason you believe that is because you were brainwashed in Jersey health class. If they decide to license wearing blue shirts, will your kids start telling me that wearing blue shirts are a privilege granted by the state? Here's some inside info. The Jersey state did nothing to help me buy a car or to buy a blue shirt.

 

It is not a privilege, Serf, it is an activity the state decided to regulate. People were driving cars long before any state made roads or brainwashed kids that it is a "privilege."

[Guest]

If you drive without a license the state can fine you and or take your driving privileges away

 

If you drive while intoxicated, the state can take your driving privileges away

 

If you cannot pass the driving test you will not get a license to drive a car

 

This does not mean you cannot buy or own a car, it only prevents driving one

 

Never once has ANY of these situations been taken to the supreme court and argued that they are Constitutional Rights that cannot be infringed. 

 

Free travel is not being affected in any way when you take someones driving privileges away, they can still walk, bus, taxi, bike, fly or ride with someone else to go anyplace in this Country.

 

The Constitution was written to protect the people from the Govt. (Of the People, By the People and For the People - does that ring a bell?) and prevent the Govt. from getting too big and over powering

 

Do you believe health care is a right (support Obama care???) Did you vote dem in the last two elections to support free health care?

 

Do you believe that "pursuit of Happiness" means more unions, higher min. wage, tax the rich and redistribute the wealth?

 

Or does it mean everyone has the right to pursue whatever level of financial income they want but does not guarantee the outcome of those pursuits?

 

As NJ subjects citizens, I have very little doubt you support unions, support more money for less work, tax the rich and redistribute the wealth. You all have been brainwashed to believe you do not have to take responsibility for your actions, push blame on everyone else, and you are entitled to everything.

[W2MC 1,699]

I am surprised no one has filed a federal lawsuit under the equal protection clause. We have a Constitution that has been annihilated. Equal protection under the Constitution may be their best defense, and our best hope of getting personal carry in this state.

 

Sadly, we've already been there; but the Supremes have no balls.

 

http://www.jdjournal.com/2013/04/16/new-york-gun-law-case-refused-to-be-heard-by-supreme-court/

https://www.rt.com/usa/supreme-court-refuses-gun-laws-495/

 

I could dig up more, but most of us already know the drill

[mipafox 438]

 

If you drive without a license the state can fine you and or take your driving privileges away

 

If you drive while intoxicated, the state can take your driving privileges away

 

If you cannot pass the driving test you will not get a license to drive a car

 

This does not mean you cannot buy or own a car, it only prevents driving one

 

Never once has ANY of these situations been taken to the supreme court and argued that they are Constitutional Rights that cannot be infringed.

 

Free travel is not being affected in any way when you take someones driving privileges away, they can still walk, bus, taxi, bike, fly or ride with someone else to go anyplace in this Country.

Let me ask you a question. Please list 5 activities in New Jersey that require not a dime of government money and not a single government endowment to you that you consider privileges and not rights. Other than driving. And, don't say to me, "Well government spends plenty of money on driving." Because I don't need them to spend a single cent for me to drive.

 

The Constitution was written to protect the people from the Govt. (Of the People, By the People and For the People - does that ring a bell?) and prevent the Govt. from getting too big and over powering

 

Do you believe health care is a right (support Obama care???) Did you vote dem in the last two elections to support free health care?

I don;t even believe voting is a right, why would I believe health care is a right?

 

Do you believe voting is a right?

 

Do you believe that "pursuit of Happiness" means more unions, higher min. wage, tax the rich and redistribute the wealth?

 

Or does it mean everyone has the right to pursue whatever level of financial income they want but does not guarantee the outcome of those pursuits?

 

As NJ subjects citizens, I have very little doubt you support unions, support more money for less work, tax the rich and redistribute the wealth. You all have been brainwashed to believe you do not have to take responsibility for your actions, push blame on everyone else, and you are entitled to everything.

Umm... That's pretty funny Especially coming from a guy that yells from the hilltops, "Driving is a privilege!"

[Guest]

  Let me ask you a question. Please list 5 activities in New Jersey that require not a dime of government money and not a single government endowment to you that you consider privileges and not rights. Other than driving. And, don't say to me, "Well government spends plenty of money on driving." Because I don't need them to spend a single cent for me to drive.

What does govt. spending have to do with this conversation?

I don;t even believe voting is a right, why would I believe health care is a right?

 

Do you believe voting is a right?

Commit a felony and you lose your RIGHT to vote

 

Umm... That's pretty funny Especially coming from a guy that yells from the hilltops, "Driving is a privilege!"

Whats so funny? Are you a union thug member? Don't you believe you are free to pursue any career you choose? Dont you believe you hare free to start your own business and pay your employees, union wages?

I responded in red above to show my response to the questions, NOT to show emotion or anger

[Rob0115 1,105]

It's not even that everyone knows NYC is a gun free slum, it's that he would have traveled through two states other than PA to get there.  As a carry permit holder you are responsible for knowing the laws if you try to use your permit out of state.  It is one thing to accidentally cross out of the state, it is another thing to drive 100 miles out of the state.

While I am sympathetic to those that make this mistake I can't go crazy for them.  I agree with the what has been said by howard.  When I received my FL CWP it came in a package that listed the states that reciprocity by resident and non-resident holders.  It clearly say on the package gun laws vary from state to state.  Make sure you know the guns laws to any states you travel through and visit.  To me this is a duh, but I guess most people don't realize that gun laws vary from state to state?  

 

Maybe they should pass a written test and not just a firearms proficiency?  I mean if you don't know that there are different guns laws by state you can't be all that switched on.  

[carl_g 568]

Why should anyone have to take a test to exercise a right?

[mipafox 438]

Why should anyone have to take a test to exercise a right?

Because he's from Jersey. But it's OK, likes guns, one of the good ones. Only voted for Obama once.