Krdshrk 3,877 Posted November 18, 2015 ........ according to the NY Post. http://nypost.com/2015/11/18/a-traffic-stop-got-this-armor-piercing-gun-off-the-streets/ Two NYPD cops pulled over a car for a busted taillight in Brooklyn — and ended up finding a gun with armor-piercing bullets and a laser sight, police said on Tuesday.Officers Joseph McEvoy and Henry Rivera were patrolling Brownsville when they stopped a purple Cadillac at 1:30 p.m. Thursday near the intersection of Thatford and Lott avenues in Brownsville. When the cops looked inside, they saw that passenger Eric Allen, 36, was wearing a knife on his belt, police said. The officers then asked the two men to step out of the vehicle, at which point they found a Taurus 9mm handgun with a laser sight on driver Kijana Powell, 38, police said. The powerful semiautomatic pistol was loaded with illegal armor-piercing — a k a “cop killer” bullets, they said. The officers also discovered several bags of marijuana in the car and in Allen’s pocket, police said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD2K 115 Posted November 18, 2015 Exploiting and misrepresenting...what else is new Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duppie 73 Posted November 18, 2015 Forget the busted tail light.......I would have pulled them over just for driving a "purple Cadillac" While it wasn't published wanna bet the car and occupants were from some southern state? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted November 18, 2015 yup-what else do you expect when you pull over a purple Caddy lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted November 18, 2015 Forget the busted tail light.......I would have pulled them over just for driving a "purple Cadillac" While it wasn't published wanna bet the car and occupants were from some southern state? Ha Ha, you beat me to the punch; I was going to say purple Cadillac alone was probable cause Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robot_hell 72 Posted November 18, 2015 Looks like they amended the article to correct the assertion about the ammunition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjd832 146 Posted November 18, 2015 Looks like they amended the article to correct the assertion about the ammunition. yet still left "powerful" in there...lol all about the agenda...lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted November 18, 2015 Forget the busted tail light.......I would have pulled them over just for driving a "purple Cadillac" While it wasn't published wanna bet the car and occupants were from some southern state? Bet me to that one. Lol... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted November 18, 2015 Looks like they amended the article to correct the assertion about the ammunition. yet still left "powerful" in there...lol all about the agenda...lol And still called them "Hollow points." I don't believe Hornady Critical Defense/Duty are considered "hollow points." There's some filling in that depression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjd832 146 Posted November 18, 2015 And still called them "Hollow points." I don't believe Hornady Critical Defense/Duty are considered "hollow points." There's some filling in that depression. You're correct there's a njsp firearms unit (I believe) clarification letter floating on this site where it's says they don't classify them and a couple other rounds as hp ammunition Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted November 18, 2015 Looks like they amended the article to correct the assertion about the ammunition. makes you wonder was it an edited quote of some mis-informed cops or the authors embelishing?- The powerful semiautomatic pistol was loaded with illegal armor-piercing — a k a “cop killer” bullets, they said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The brew guy 22 Posted November 19, 2015 You're correct there's a njsp firearms unit (I believe) clarification letter floating on this site where it's says they don't classify them and a couple other rounds as hp ammunition NYPD might not go by what NJSP says is, or isn't HP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,322 Posted November 19, 2015 You're correct there's a njsp firearms unit (I believe) clarification letter floating on this site where it's says they don't classify them and a couple other rounds as hp ammunition Is this what you were speaking of??? I had to convert the pdf to text since this site would not allow me to paste the pdf or even jpg version of the original letter! From: BRETT BLOOM To: SCHLUETER, DAVID Date: 9/11/2009 2:26:29 PM Subject: Hollow point ammo Lt, The three products currently being manufactured that are not considered "hollow point" bullet cartridges are Hornady Critical Defense Federal Expanding Full Metal Jacket Carboni Glaser PowR Ball AFTE (Association of Firearm and Toolmark Examiners) defines a "hollow point" as - a bullet with a cavity in the nose to facilitate expansion. The three above described cartridges utilize different technologies to facilitate expansion and do not have a 'hollow" cavity. In the case of the PowR Ball and the Critical Defense, they each utilize a polymer to fill the "cavity', and therefor are considered to be Expanding Type bullets but fall short of a hollow point. You can look up these products online and see them for yourself. Each bullet is a good alternative to a hollow point at this paint. As we had discussed, the use of full metal jacketed ammunition creates a bigger risk of over penetration and therefore a higher risk of striking a non-combatant. Good Luck, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVB-AMG 530 Posted November 19, 2015 So much for traveling discreetly incognito in a purple Cadillac.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjd832 146 Posted November 19, 2015 Is this what you were speaking of??? I had to convert the pdf to text since this site would not allow me to paste the pdf or even jpg version of the original letter! From: BRETT BLOOM To: SCHLUETER, DAVID Date: 9/11/2009 2:26:29 PM Subject: Hollow point ammo Lt, The three products currently being manufactured that are not considered "hollow point" bullet cartridges are Hornady Critical Defense Federal Expanding Full Metal Jacket Carboni Glaser PowR Ball AFTE (Association of Firearm and Toolmark Examiners) defines a "hollow point" as - a bullet with a cavity in the nose to facilitate expansion. The three above described cartridges utilize different technologies to facilitate expansion and do not have a 'hollow" cavity. In the case of the PowR Ball and the Critical Defense, they each utilize a polymer to fill the "cavity', and therefor are considered to be Expanding Type bullets but fall short of a hollow point. You can look up these products online and see them for yourself. Each bullet is a good alternative to a hollow point at this paint. As we had discussed, the use of full metal jacketed ammunition creates a bigger risk of over penetration and therefore a higher risk of striking a non-combatant. Good Luck, yes sir thats the one i was thinking of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVB-AMG 530 Posted November 19, 2015 Or maybe it was one of those wonderful 70's pimp mobiles..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVB-AMG 530 Posted November 19, 2015 If I was going to drive a purple Cadillac it would be this one.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVB-AMG 530 Posted November 19, 2015 Ok, I had to come back from the tangent I took and try to tie in a Cadillac with guns and this is the best I can do…. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVB-AMG 530 Posted November 19, 2015 Wait a second... I almost forgot... In W.W. II GM's Cadillac Division made Tanks for the US Army: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVB-AMG 530 Posted November 19, 2015 Sorry Krdshrk. I apologize for sidetracking your original post of the NY Post article with some silly slapstick, so it may now return to the discussion of Hornady Critical Defense bullets.... AVB-AMG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted November 19, 2015 Easy guys, just because they don't meet the literally definition of hollow point doesn't change the fact that are still dumdum rounds in NJ which is the same restriction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjd832 146 Posted November 19, 2015 Easy guys, just because they don't meet the literally definition of hollow point doesn't change the fact that are still dumdum rounds in NJ which is the same restriction. i don't use them personally, not because of some poorly written law, but because of their poor performance... hst for me .....ill leave the efmj's or other poor performing 30+yo technology rounds for the nervous nellies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatty 241 Posted November 19, 2015 HST's and Ranger T's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 826 Posted November 19, 2015 i don't use them personally, not because of some poorly written law, but because of their poor performance... hst for me .....ill leave the efmj's or other poor performing 30+yo technology rounds for the nervous nellies I agree. Although, critical defense does perform well in .380. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjd832 146 Posted November 19, 2015 I agree. Although, critical defense does perform well in .380 ill agree its probably the best in 380 ....but i don't own or wouldn't consider the caliber personally Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted November 19, 2015 the laser looks like its pointed towards outer space.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted November 20, 2015 i don't use them personally, not because of some poorly written law, but because of their poor performance... hst for me .....ill leave the efmj's or other poor performing 30+yo technology rounds for the nervous nellies Well, that depends entirely on the purpose of the round. They did develop the round to solve issues surrounding HP's, although it turned into a jack of all trades, master of nothing type round. I've been using the XTP rounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites