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Pardon for resurrecting this thread. I hope we can continue a sane discussion of the value of the NRA without threats.

 

As I've said many times gun rights issues in PA and most other states are debated on a totally different level than in NJ. You talk about the AWB...we still have it. You talk about magazine limits...we still have them. You talk about limits on carry, particularly in Texas...fuggedaboudit that's not even an issue here because it doesn't exist.

 

Went shooting with my son-in-law a while ago, kid from Alabama. His most common response to my explanations was, "are you shittin' me?" His move to PA was the motivation behind my question to you, Mipa, about bringing guns up north.

 

In an ideal world, if we were remotely equal, then of course most of us would support the NRA. But we're clearly not, and NRA (and our state organizations) are pretty much dedicated to maintaining the status quo. The quote about becoming like New Jersey clearly shows that NRA needs NJ like the military industrial complex needed communism.

 

Imagine if Pennsylvania suddenly restricted driving privileges to all PA licensees. Say they banned driving in reverse, but permitted drivers from Massachusetts to drive any damn way they chose. Would you donate money to the "National Drivers Association" that lobbied for their driving privileges but ignored yours? What would be your motivation if the NDA decided that Pennsylvania was "hopeless"?

 

IMO NRA should dedicate ALL the dues it receives from NJ, MD, and HI towards establishing and funding efforts towards reasonable parity with the remaining states, preferably to the de jure and de facto shall-issue states. 

 

 

'Till then the minutiae of CC laws in Nebraska interest me only theoretically. Yeah we should all be allowed to carry anywhere in the USA with only the Constitution as our permit. I believe that. 

 

But if they don't believe that, if they're not dedicated to the same uphill struggle in NJ that they undertook in 35-40 other states, they can stick it up their pointed a**holes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wayne – Why I’m Not Joining the NRA

 

First and foremost I would like to thank you, the NRA and its members for defending our Nations Second Amendment rights.  I also thank you for sending me an offer to join the NRA . . .

From the first day I became a firearms owner I have wanted to very much become a NRA member and I still do. However, I live in the state of New Jersey and I am sorely disappointed and embarrassed in the way the national branch of the NRA has abandoned my home state and its law abiding firearms owners. This was disgustingly obvious during the 2013 hearings in Trenton where gun owners were under fire and attacked by New Jersey’s so-called lawmakers. I witnessed only our local Second Amendment associations such as ANJRPC and NJ2AS fighting to preserve our 2A rights in Trenton. Your national branch’s inactions continue to this day.

The national branch of the NRA has made a very strong statement via its non-actions that it is not willing to support and fight for its New Jersey members’ Second Amendment rights. Rather, it has chosen to use New Jersey and other states as sacrificial lambs. An example of this is clearly printed on page fourteen of the January 2014 issue of American Rifleman. James W. Porter III wrote, “Look at California, New Jersey or Connecticut where, prodded by the Brady Campaign and billionaire Michael Bloomberg, real bans criminalize gun ownership have become law”The fact that you know this and do nothing other than hang these states out to dry is 100% unacceptable and irresponsible. You may be wondering why I am referring to the NRA as the “national branch”.

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Dear Wayne – Why I’m Not Joining the NRA

 

First and foremost I would like to thank you, the NRA and its members for defending our Nations Second Amendment rights.  I also thank you for sending me an offer to join the NRA . . .

From the first day I became a firearms owner I have wanted to very much become a NRA member and I still do. However, I live in the state of New Jersey and I am sorely disappointed and embarrassed in the way the national branch of the NRA has abandoned my home state and its law abiding firearms owners. This was disgustingly obvious during the 2013 hearings in Trenton where gun owners were under fire and attacked by New Jersey’s so-called lawmakers. I witnessed only our local Second Amendment associations such as ANJRPC and NJ2AS fighting to preserve our 2A rights in Trenton. Your national branch’s inactions continue to this day.

The national branch of the NRA has made a very strong statement via its non-actions that it is not willing to support and fight for its New Jersey members’ Second Amendment rights. Rather, it has chosen to use New Jersey and other states as sacrificial lambs. An example of this is clearly printed on page fourteen of the January 2014 issue of American Rifleman. James W. Porter III wrote, “Look at California, New Jersey or Connecticut where, prodded by the Brady Campaign and billionaire Michael Bloomberg, real bans criminalize gun ownership have become law”The fact that you know this and do nothing other than hang these states out to dry is 100% unacceptable and irresponsible. You may be wondering why I am referring to the NRA as the “national branch”.

 

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I think the NRA should pick a new figurehead. I've always been of the opinion for years that LaPierre should move one for someone a little more dynamic and engaging. 

 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/12/foghorn/wayne-lapierre-has-to-go/

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I think the NRA should pick a new figurehead. I've always been of the opinion for years that LaPierre should move one for someone a little more dynamic and engaging. 

 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/12/foghorn/wayne-lapierre-has-to-go/

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keep whining and not seeing the big picture,

 

I am and always will be a NRA member (currently a life member), I will continue to give them what I can afford.

 

For one reason this is why I will always support them.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/29/the-nra-is-getting-its-ass-kicked-and-here-s-the-proof.html

 

For those who want change inside the organization I suggest you go here and help support a great American Steve Reicherts bid for board member http://stevereichert.com/NRA/

 

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keep whining and not seeing the big picture,

 

I am and always will be a NRA member (currently a life member), I will continue to give them what I can afford.

 

For one reason this is why I will always support them.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/29/the-nra-is-getting-its-ass-kicked-and-here-s-the-proof.html

 

For those who want change inside the organization I suggest you go here and help support a great American Steve Reicherts bid for board member http://stevereichert.com/NRA/

Thank you for posting that article. It appears I need to man up and get over my " feelings"

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I'm pretty sure ANJRPC is the NJ chapter/ representing the NRA in Nj.

Yea, but they seem to get jack from the Nat... We struggle while they preach to states and areas that don't need national coverage. We should be their poster child and used in everything they do. Foremost, get here and spend national money in NJ...

Put up billboards, commercials, etc and explain they are here to vindicate NJ of their horrible laws. They do nothing!

 

 

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Dear Wayne – Why I’m Not Joining the NRA

First and foremost I would like to thank you, the NRA and its members for defending our Nations Second Amendment rights. I also thank you for sending me an offer to join the NRA . . .

From the first day I became a firearms owner I have wanted to very much become a NRA member and I still do. However, I live in the state of New Jersey and I am sorely disappointed and embarrassed in the way the national branch of the NRA has abandoned my home state and its law abiding firearms owners. This was disgustingly obvious during the 2013 hearings in Trenton where gun owners were under fire and attacked by New Jersey’s so-called lawmakers. I witnessed only our local Second Amendment associations such as ANJRPC and NJ2AS fighting to preserve our 2A rights in Trenton. Your national branch’s inactions continue to this day.

The national branch of the NRA has made a very strong statement via its non-actions that it is not willing to support and fight for its New Jersey members’ Second Amendment rights. Rather, it has chosen to use New Jersey and other states as sacrificial lambs. An example of this is clearly printed on page fourteen of the January 2014 issue of American Rifleman. James W. Porter III wrote, “Look at California, New Jersey or Connecticut where, prodded by the Brady Campaign and billionaire Michael Bloomberg, real bans criminalize gun ownership have become law”. The fact that you know this and do nothing other than hang these states out to dry is 100% unacceptable and irresponsible. You may be wondering why I am referring to the NRA as the “national branch”.

That was fantastic! I almost want them to cold call me and solicit. They'd be sorry cause I'd make their ears bleed!

 

 

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That was fantastic! I almost want them to cold call me and solicit. They'd be sorry cause I'd make their ears bleed!

 

 

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not sure it would matter, you'd only be tearing up the poor marketer who lost the office pool and got stuck with the NJ call list 

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not sure it would matter, you'd only be tearing up the poor marketer who lost the office pool and got stuck with the NJ call list

Lol... But if we burn them enuff to have a bad day and quit, upper will wonder why. I can hear them now, "I quit! NJ people suck! They say we don't help them! Blah!"

 

 

 

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fwiw im not going to stop dealing with them, and understand some of what they do.

i am also a anjrpc non shooting member and belong to nj2as.

where my problem was in the other tread was using us as a threat to the others in the magazine aa if we are a lost cause. i took offense to that tactic, i also was bothered by the fact that no one could answer me on what they are thinking or doing.

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fwiw im not going to stop dealing with them, and understand some of what they do.

i am also a anjrpc non shooting member and belong to nj2as.

where my problem was in the other tread was using us as a threat to the others in the magazine aa if we are a lost cause. i took offense to that tactic, i also was bothered by the fact that no one could answer me on what they are thinking or doing.

This is kinda where I'm at.

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fwiw im not going to stop dealing with them, and understand some of what they do.

i am also a anjrpc non shooting member and belong to nj2as.

where my problem was in the other tread was using us as a threat to the others in the magazine aa if we are a lost cause. i took offense to that tactic, i also was bothered by the fact that no one could answer me on what they are thinking or doing.

That's what I'm pist about too. Using us as a patsy for crap like that? I'm a NRA Lifer and also belong to ANJRPC as a full member and have been for decades. But this rattled my cage.

 

 

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Many states were "lost causes" 25 years ago. Even today  11 U.S. states have large democrat majorities on both legislative houses. Eyeballing them I'd say most are veto-proof. They can pass any anti-gun legislation they like. Five of those states, which are shall-issue or constitutional, also have democrat governors so they too can turn "hopeless as New Jersey" whenever they want. 

 

NRA's activities in those states and others are incremental: Increase the instances and locations where carry is permitted for example. Maintain the status quo w/ respect to scary rifles and background checks. Lobby for general sanity. NRA is good at that. Ground is occasionally lost as in NY, CT, and CO post Sandy Hook and if I lived in one of those states I'd be mad as hell. But their problems are almost laughable, on an absolute scale, compared with ours. 

 

Like a previous poster, I'd be a life member if they helped bring about substantive change in my state. Those who want to add Buddhist equinox festivals to places they can carry in Idaho can pay for those efforts themselves.

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Yea, but they seem to get jack from the Nat... We struggle while they preach to states and areas that don't need national coverage. We should be their poster child and used in everything they do. Foremost, get here and spend national money in NJ...

Put up billboards, commercials, etc and explain they are here to vindicate NJ of their horrible laws. They do nothing!

 

 

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My sentiments exactly

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Yea, but they seem to get jack from the Nat... We struggle while they preach to states and areas that don't need national coverage. We should be their poster child and used in everything they do. Foremost, get here and spend national money in NJ...

Put up billboards, commercials, etc and explain they are here to vindicate NJ of their horrible laws. They do nothing!

 

 

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It's called triage. You focus on the individual(s) (states) you can help and abandon those you can't. Except I don't believe we can't be helped. It doesn't make sense that VT is an overwhelmingly liberal state and has constitutional carry. We don't. That is what the national and state organizations should be studying.

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Newtonian, on 16 Dec 2015 - 12:16 AM, said:

It's called triage. You focus on the individual(s) (states) you can help and abandon those you can't. Except I don't believe we can't be helped. It doesn't make sense that VT is an overwhelmingly liberal state and has constitutional carry. We don't. That is what the national and state organizations should be studying.

 

 

NJ's career politicians are corrupt and pandering to the lowest common denominator.  They are completely useless and without hope. 

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Attended many of the meetings here in NJ with the NRA reps and local orgs. and sportsman's groups back in the 90's......it was known then that the people in NJ were pretty much are anti gun....yes the NRA tossed in the towel regarding NJ but IMO it was deserved.....we're a wasteland here of liberal, multi-cultural, socialists and dependent people run by the NJ State Authority.....in other words a state controlled cesspool of humanity......IMO.

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^This

 

The NRA does very little at the state level other than training, funding for ranges and orgs, etc. Most of their work is at the federal level.

 

If someone has a case that is working and moving forward or has a legislative battle that has a chance of winning they MAY help with a little bit of money, legal assistance, voters guides, or lobbying. We worked on SYG for years in Pennsylvania and only when the NRA saw we were going to get it did they swoop in at the last minute and lend support, that unfortunately included negotiating a law weaker than the one we wanted and were ready to pass. Not impressed.

 

They really don't champion much legislation or litigation at the state level. Keep in mind, the media gives them credit for everything and blame for everything that they were not even involved in. As for the NRA themselves, often they give an "assist" just so they can take some credit. On the flip side, they may not get credit for their under the radar efforts that affect the way additional gun control legislation gets voted on.

 

They are very important on the federal level an you should support them. Laws in Jersey would be a lot worse without them simply based federal law would likely be a lot worse than what Jersey has now. At best, you wouldn't have PMAGs and would be limited to 10 round post ban mags (expired federal AWB). Heck, if the AWB stood, almost none of the tidal wave of advancements in modern firearms would have occurred over the last 11 years. You'd all have $1,000 Bushmasters. Heck, there would probably be a new AWB with no grandfathering and they would make you turn all your crap in.

 

Some of you can take no credit for saving your fellow Jersians from that fate.

 

Honestly, I bet Jersey state laws would be a little worse, too.

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^This

 

The NRA does very little at the state level other than training, funding for ranges and orgs, etc. Most of their work is at the federal level.

 

If someone has a case that is working and moving forward or has a legislative battle that has a chance of winning they MAY help with a little bit of money, legal assistance, voters guides, or lobbying. We worked on SYG for years in Pennsylvania and only when the NRA saw we were going to get it did they swoop in at the last minute and lend support, that unfortunately included negotiating a law weaker than the one we wanted and were ready to pass. Not impressed.

 

They really don't champion much legislation or litigation at the state level. Keep in mind, the media gives them credit for everything and blame for everything that they were not even involved in. As for the NRA themselves, often they give an "assist" just so they can take some credit. On the flip side, they may not get credit for their under the radar efforts that affect the way additional gun control legislation gets voted on.

 

They are very important on the federal level an you should support them. Laws in Jersey would be a lot worse without them simply based federal law would likely be a lot worse than what Jersey has now. At best, you wouldn't have PMAGs and would be limited to 10 round post ban mags (expired federal AWB). Heck, if the AWB stood, almost none of the tidal wave of advancements in modern firearms would have occurred over the last 11 years. You'd all have $1,000 Bushmasters. Heck, there would probably be a new AWB with no grandfathering and they would make you turn all your crap in.

 

Some of you can take no credit for saving your fellow Jersians from that fate.

 

Honestly, I bet Jersey state laws would be a little worse, too.

As you've noted many states have an entrenched gun culture that supersedes politics. I don't know the degree to which NRA was responsible or involved. Probably very little.

 

You're right about them operating mostly at the federal level, the AWB being a prime example. But that did not stop NY from banning them, or NJ from its infatuation with evil features.

 

IMO NRA can make a huge contribution to the second amendment by fighting for harmonization of gun laws throughout the states. Full carry reciprocity is just one example.

 

An act with no legal consequences in Portland, PA should not get you five to ten years as Bubba's sex slave just six inches over the line on the Columbia, NJ side of the pedestrian bridge. It's insane. It's like East and West Berlin, North and South Korea.

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We should continue to support the NRA because things could be worse for us here in the PRNJ, not much worse but worse nevertheless!

They're getting a lot f-ing worse buddy, sorry to tell you. Much worse. And it's because we've been chasing windmills for the last ten years that I've been following this stuff. 

 

NRA doesn't have the brains or capacity to help us. They have the same mentality as a lot of posters here. As far as NJ is concerned, zero.

 

Nevertheless I have changed my mind (due to some great input from you guys mostly) and will renew this year. Who knows? Miracles happen. Plus I really do care about people outside this miserable place (on many levels) I'm stuck in.

 

So yeah, as Big Daddy says, "Support the NRA." Fukc it. $40 is not going to break the bank of Angelo.

 

And now for a musical break. I'm such an upbeat person you know: http://bit.ly/1mraloa

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