Here's the new Kimber revo-

[alec.mc 180]

Friends don't let friends buy Kimbers

[bhunted 887]

I have 3 of them and they ran like a well oiled machine from day one. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But a blanket statement that Kimber makes shit is an unfair statement. You want evidence? Go over to the Kimber forums and chat with the elders that have many of them with thousands of rounds through them without fail. Every gun has bad issues on occasion, but Kimber, when they do crop up, make good on it.

Its kind of hard to fook up any 1911. They have proven themselves for decades.
You want to pick on a few where there are thousands in the populous, go right ahead. I'm sure we can find some of those few from each gun brand out there. If a particular model Glock has issues, do you blame the whole company by saying Glock can't make a decent gun?

My issue is with the blanket comment.



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[n4p226r 105]

I am guessing Taurus quality for Colt prices.

 

I'll pass.

. So the same as their 1911s

[bhunted 887]

Children

 

I'm going to start a thread with every beloved brand gun that has had failures of any kind especially catastrophic ones and we'll see who has the bragging rights. My guess, nobody because they all have them...

Soon as my research is complete, I will post it. Then the haters can all sit and cry...

[High Exposure 5,664]

Don't take it personally buddy.

 

It is what it is.

 

It has nothing to do with bragging rights. It has everything to do with a drastic and rapid decline in quality in their guns - starting prior 2004 - that was noticed by everyone, rabid Kimber fan boys included.

 

Yes, we all understand that every manufacturer has some lemons. We all also know that anything designed and built by the hands of men can and will fail. You don't need to post the individual failing of every pistol ever made.

 

You trust your Kimbers and want to shoot them - good. Continue to do so. I hope they run for you forever.

[louu 399]

This thread is still going? 

[bhunted 887]

I don't take it personally. But it's like product reviews. When something does well, nobody says shit. But when a couple people have some bad experiences, it's the worse product of their life time. Blanket statememnts are unjust. Even statements that one person witnessed 3 catastrophic failures. There are a lot of reasons there are bad failures. But the ratio of good product in the field out weighs the bad. And that's anything. When there are 1000'sf models out there that run like a champ, a few are to be expected. Kimber sales have sky rocketed. As I said before, it's hard to fook up a 1911 in the first place. Now what I have read on an average of a lot of failures is people using ammo like home loads, or crap they shouldn't. Then when that damn thing blows up, it's the guns fault. Without statistics, I would not blame Kimber guns themselves for failures. Especially when there are too few vs the many out there.

When a statement comes out how they make crap, that pisses me off. Why would anyone judge anything that way without doing an investigation? Like I said. Go talk to the veteran Kimber owners out there. They'll tell ya.

You also know I'm a Colt 1911 fan. I have the one when each man put many hours into it before they started rolling them off the line like robots on steroids. Eveyone claimed that their quality went down. They even mentioned going bankrupt or one of the chapters I forget. They are still producing them like mad men. High and low end modes. ALL over $1K... Yet people are still buying them.

If you were to ask me what 1911 should I'd buy, I'd ask you a couple questions.

What will you use it for, what is your cost limits. If mid range was Ok, then Kimber, Colt, etc. Low range, SA, SW, etc... Hi end, Nighthawk, Les Baers, Wilson, etc... No limits? Cabot....

Think about the architecture of a 1911. Not really many parts and most are still made of steel. What little may go wrong will have finger pointing like, "Oh! I payed good money for that gun and it went poop:... Big deal. Make it right.

They have tight tolerences when imho give them great accuracy and durability.

Anyhow... TETO...

 

And now for your enjoyment, a few for our haters...
Glocks:
 

 

Yes, even HKS:

 

Colt:

 

...and so on....

 

 

 

 

 

Don't take it personally buddy.

It is what it is.

It has nothing to do with bragging rights. It has everything to do with a drastic and rapid decline in quality in their guns - starting around 2004 - that was noticed by everyone, rabid Kimber fan boys included.

Yes, we all understand that every manufacturer has some lemons. We all also know that anything designed and built by the hands of men can and will fail. You don't need to post the individual failing of every pistol ever made.

You trust your Kimbers and want to shoot them - good. Continue to do so. I hope they run for you forever.

[bhunted 887]

So? Better than 12 pages of people talking about snow....

 

 

This thread is still going? 

[Old School 611]

So? Better than 12 pages of people talking about snow....

 

John, John, John...  I'm not going to tell you that while training the Queen's 3rd Regiment of the Light Brigade I saw them puking pea soup..

 

But here it is why I think there are better options and are over priced.  

Wonky grip safety that Colt had a patent on til the late 40's and never used.

MIM parts, for the high price they get they should be forged.

Parts fit I've seen lately ...Not good.

 

Same money better quality...STI

Less money...Springfield

 

Me personally.. I like the Filipino 1911s coming in to the country some not all are very good.

[bhunted 887]

I guess you are all missing my point. But, TETO....

 

 

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[carl_g 568]

Me personally.. I like the Filipino 1911s coming in to the country some not all are very good.

 

Which ones if you don't mind?

[Old School 611]

Metro arms They just made a nice long slide for Segal. He's probably gonna endorse them. Spent a lot of time with them at SHOT

 

 

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[High Exposure 5,664]

I guess you are all missing my point. But, TETO....

 

 

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John, no one has said that TETO doesn't apply. As I have stated multiple times, you have them and like them, good on ya!

 

My "own" is - I won't own Kimber.

[bhunted 887]

John, no one has said that TETO doesn't apply. As I have stated multiple times, you have them and like them, good on ya!

 

My "own" is - I won't own Kimber.

Sorry, you're still not getting it. So this will be my last post till someone gets it, or not. So let me rephrase it. I do want to apologize for sending this post off on a tangent though.

 

I'm not defending Kimber. My rant is regarding a blanket statement. I've said it several times. Yet people skate in a different direction.

Comment something to the effect that Kimber can't make 1911s for shit is my rant subject.

If you want to educate people, especially the new or people not versed in a brand, elaborate why. Because I would love to know. Not just some dumb fooking statement. I get so tired of people throwing in their 3 word comments without any reasoning, its sickening. Bashing of any product without reason is ludicrous. FYI, there are HKs I wouldn't buy, Kimbers too. I'm not a fan of Glocks. But I won't tell people they are shit and worthless because they are not. You won't catch me interjecting a bland comment that a products is not worth shit. I tried to get yaz to realize it several posts ago.

 

I have no problem you not liking Kimber and not owning one. Show me where I tried shoving one down anyone's gullet. I never push anyone to any brand. I've come to the conclusions over the years that guns are a personal preference. Like Harley's vs Hondas, etc.

But these forums should be educational among other things.

This, "I'll just spew shit in for the helluvit and see if I can get some ire", is bs.

 

That's that. Don't get it now, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[JohnnyB 4,325]

I just feel bad for that Colt Anaconda! Somehow I don't think the gun was at fault! Looks like a reload with a double or triple load of powder or the wrong powder.

May it rest in pieces!

[n4p226r 105]

The problem with saying negative things about any product is that those that own the product, that have never had any issues with the product, somehow think they are the norm and others are blowing things out of proportion. I'm sure there have been times where a BCM rifle failed during a training class. But I bet it's much more unlikely than bushmaster failures. But there are probably a lot of people on this forum that have bushmasters that go bang every time they pulled the trigger.

 

Kimber, for years has been known to be the "bushmaster" of the 1911 world. Everyone knows the name. Lots of reports of parts failure. And one of the highest selling.

 

I tend to look at the frequency of reports and realize that maybe I should look elsewhere. Sure, people only report the bad stuff, but the problems you hear are much worse than your standard 1911 won't feed certain ammo. How many 1911s have you heard self destruct on the line like reported in this thread other than kimber?

 

 

What is even more convincing to me is talking to those that work there. They are in Yonkers and Hackensack so their workers are local. When those guys say to avoid kimber, you tend to take their word for it.

 

Add that to the fact that the kimber guys are screwing with sig and you have the icing on the cake

[bhunted 887]

What they doing to Sig?

 

 

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[n4p226r 105]

Well quality has gone down, they released the same model with 100 different flashy and useless finishes, and my least favorite, switched to a long extractor so they can cut cost with MIM parts. Essentially making them like kimber. The legion series is the only thing I think they've done that is actually pretty nice. Add that to putting the sig brand on every piece of crappy imported kit possible and claiming its higher quality than it is.

 

It does seem that their newer offerings have been more interesting. Let's hope the quality is there.

[bhunted 887]

Well quality has gone down, they released the same model with 100 different flashy and useless finishes, and my least favorite, switched to a long extractor so they can cut cost with MIM parts. Essentially making them like kimber. The legion series is the only thing I think they've done that is actually pretty nice. Add that to putting the sig brand on every piece of crappy imported kit possible and claiming its higher quality than it is.

 

It does seem that their newer offerings have been more interesting. Let's hope the quality is there.

Btw, I enjoy this type of conversation N4....

But I think I will start another thread. We raped this one enough and again, I apologize to the OP.

 

Give me a few minutes and I'll start a thread called Catastrophic Failures... Ok? Carry on there please.

 

 

 

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[siderman 1,138]

lol, not caring too much...have at whatever ya want!

 

 

 

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[High Exposure 5,664]

What they doing to Sig?

 

 

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Ron Cohen, the CEO of Sig, was formerly the CEO of Kimber. He started Kimber down the MIM path as well as the volume over quality business model - didn't matter if the gun runs, as long as it is on the store shelves so someone can buy it.

 

He left Kimber and went to Sig in 2004 where he brought the same crappy business model to his new business.

 

Now you have all the silly models and a company that puts out a product that by all accounts is inferior to what they made prior to 2004.

[Shawnmoore81 623]

Kimber also had a reputation of writing bad checks back then. I know a distributor that doesn't deal with them unless they hand them cash

 

 

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[bhunted 887]

This why I started the other thread. Go over there and continue.

 

 

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[son of sam 9]

I like revolvers and pretty much every metal gun out there. I have also had very good luck with Kimber 1911's and rifles. If I was in the market for a short barrel handgun I would likely get one of these. But, shortest revolver I own is a 5". 

Overall its a good looking revaolver and im thrilled that a new brand choice is available in revolvers. There are only a handful of quality revolver manufacturers S&W, Ruger, Korth, Magnum Research I cant think of any others off hand.