subbiava 0 Posted January 31, 2016 Hello, I recently moved to Runnemede, NJ from Philadelphia, PA. I am trying to obtain a FID and a permit to purchase a handgun. I have downloaded the application, the mental health record form, and tried to drop it off at the police station. The clerk said I needed to make an appt with the chief of police, but that he wasn't it. She gave me a number and left a message. I called again, and finally got to talk to him. He said since I was from Philadelphia, it would take forever, and that he didn't have any appointments available. He said to check back with him in a few weeks. What kind of answer is this from a city official? I just don't get it, I'm a responsible, tax-paying citizen, and I have no criminal or mental health issues. Any advice to even get this process started would be much appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted January 31, 2016 What does "from Philadelphia" have to do with the time it takes to obtain and FID? I would ask him to put what he said in writing, and record the call as well. Then contact an attorney. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lambo2936 297 Posted January 31, 2016 Many towns seem to attempt to make it impossible to obtain an FID, unfortunately. I Got lucky here in Woodbridge; though they restrict you to only a few hours every wednesday for applications, mine should be in by week 4 (This upcoming wednesday). I'd suggest you find a good lawyer that is familiar with the laws and ask them for advice. I've never heard of such an unprofessional response, to be honest. They probably do that so that they can delay the process..Do what that guy said.. get it recorded or in writing. Being from Phila has nothing to do with the process. Maybe he's worried your speeding tickets wont show up on the background check? haha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted January 31, 2016 Hello, I recently moved to Runnemede, NJ from Philadelphia, PA. Ouch. Why didn't you just take the bridge? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD2K 115 Posted January 31, 2016 Hello, I recently moved to Runnemede, NJ from Philadelphia, PA. I am trying to obtain a FID and a permit to purchase a handgun. I have downloaded the application, the mental health record form, and tried to drop it off at the police station. The clerk said I needed to make an appt with the chief of police, but that he wasn't it. She gave me a number and left a message. I called again, and finally got to talk to him. He said since I was from Philadelphia, it would take forever, and that he didn't have any appointments available. He said to check back with him in a few weeks. What kind of answer is this from a city official? I just don't get it, I'm a responsible, tax-paying citizen, and I have no criminal or mental health issues. Any advice to even get this process started would be much appreciated. That's total BS! Contact Strikeforce: http://www.anjrpc.org/?page=A_Strikeforce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted January 31, 2016 i hope you recorded that conversation(nj is a 1 party state), 'cause what he told you is i think illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maintenanceguy 509 Posted January 31, 2016 NJ2AS would love to have a copy of the conversation or any follow up conversation. They've been documenting and publicizing these sorts of things all over the state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
subbiava 0 Posted February 1, 2016 Thanks for everyone's help! This is such a great forum! I am going to write an email to anjrpc as well as nj2as. I plan on also calling the chief again and seeing if i get a different response by suggesting that it is the law that he take my application and process it. Will keep you all updated. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted February 1, 2016 Thanks for everyone's help! This is such a great forum! I am going to write an email to anjrpc as well as nj2as. I plan on also calling the chief again and seeing if i get a different response by suggesting that it is the law that he take my application and process it. Will keep you all updated. Thanks! Make sure you record it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 1, 2016 Make sure you record it! As Luso has said, if it's not recorded, it did not happen! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted February 1, 2016 I do know when you move to a new town in NJ, they have to request your FID application papework from your old town. This is only from one town in NJ to another. Do not know how it works in your case coming from another state. I know some PD's take a little longer to forward info, but I can't see why they say it would take forever. The appointment thing is ridiculous though. It takes about 2 minutes to make sure that you filled out everything correctly and to witness you signing it, so I am not sure what that is about...Good luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted February 1, 2016 Thanks for everyone's help! This is such a great forum! I am going to write an email to anjrpc as well as nj2as. I plan on also calling the chief again and seeing if i get a different response by suggesting that it is the law that he take my application and process it. Will keep you all updated. Thanks! http://law.onecle.com/new-jersey/2c-the-new-jersey-code-of-criminal-justice/58-3.html c. Who may obtain. No person of good character and good repute in the community in which he lives, and who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in this section or other sections of this chapter, shall be denied a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, except as hereinafter set forth. No handgun purchase permit or firearms purchaser identification card shall be issued: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avalanche 42 Posted February 1, 2016 subbiava, on 31 Jan 2016 - 12:31 PM, said: Hello, I recently moved to Runnemede, NJ from Philadelphia, PA. I am trying to obtain a FID and a permit to purchase a handgun. I have downloaded the application, the mental health record form, and tried to drop it off at the police station. The clerk said I needed to make an appt with the chief of police, but that he wasn't it. She gave me a number and left a message. I called again, and finally got to talk to him. He said since I was from Philadelphia, it would take forever, and that he didn't have any appointments available. He said to check back with him in a few weeks. What kind of answer is this from a city official? I just don't get it, I'm a responsible, tax-paying citizen, and I have no criminal or mental health issues. Any advice to even get this process started would be much appreciated. Call the state police firearms unit, they can touch base with departments like this that break the law and advise them. Now that might do more harm than good but it doesn't seem like you are getting anywhere as it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted February 1, 2016 Your probably going to have to set up an appointment to get fingerprinted. The fact your from Philly means nothing. If your a resident of NJ and have a home address there is no reason he shouldn't start the application process, nor legally could he. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RootSki 5 Posted February 1, 2016 Never offer up more information than necessary when dealing with the police. "Hi Mr Chief, I live in town and would like to make an appointment...." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S14Swap240sx 6 Posted February 2, 2016 Wow.. Fight it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted February 2, 2016 My dental hygienist, who lives in Runnemede, told me that her husband was set to apply for his FID card. During the 'interview' with the Chief, he was told that due to an old Domestic complaint from his first wife (never charged, no trial, no verdict), his application would be rejected by the Chief so not to even bother with the process (background, prints, etc) I told her to have him proceed with the process regardless, that way he could appeal the 'promised' rejection with the Superior Court of Camden County. I know that this is not Chief Leason anymore (he was removed from office for crimes and corruption) http://southjersey.com/articles/?articleID=10423 in 2004, but it seems that the current Chief is as anti as they come. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted February 2, 2016 I'd let this douche bag know that he needs to stop believing it's up to him whether or not you get one but that his only function is to process it like a good clerk. The laws are clear and he has NO discretion over your FID. It's friggin' amazing that whether or not you can exercise your rights is left to the discretion of one little man with a superiority complex. If anything needs to accomplished it's ridding the state of the FID or at least improving it to get rid of all the bullshit. Let him know you intend on applying and having any negative results reviewed by an attorney, the NJ2S, the state police and the local news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack 17 Posted February 2, 2016 Alexander Roubian just posted the to the NJ2AS Facebook page. You might want to shoot him an email about your situation Alexander P. Roubian A reporter from NJTV contacted me asking if I know anyone who has dealt with any illegal requirements when applying for a permit. You would need to be interviewed this afternoon. Northern NJ would be preferred. Please contact me at [email protected] https://www.facebook.com/groups/nj2as/?fref=nf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
subbiava 0 Posted February 3, 2016 Thanks for everyone's input. Met with the police chief after writing to the mayor. Got an appt, and my application is submitted. Just gotta go for fingerprinting now. Will keep you all posted. This is a fantastic forum! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barms 98 Posted February 4, 2016 Congrats. You will get your FID just in time to have all your weapons be banned in this state. The board helped you, now what are you going to do to help your own district? Do you know who to vote for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted February 6, 2016 My dental hygienist, who lives in Runnemede, told me that her husband was set to apply for his FID card. During the 'interview' with the Chief, he was told that due to an old Domestic complaint from his first wife (never charged, no trial, no verdict), his application would be rejected by the Chief so not to even bother with the process (background, prints, etc) I told her to have him proceed with the process regardless, that way he could appeal the 'promised' rejection with the Superior Court of Camden County. I know that this is not Chief Leason anymore (he was removed from office for crimes and corruption) http://southjersey.com/articles/?articleID=10423 in 2004, but it seems that the current Chief is as anti as they come. There is a case involving rejection of app based on past DV complaint,not involving conviction. Appeal sided with Chief " in the interest of public safety" or some BS like that. If he is told upfront, line up a lawyer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 6, 2016 There is a case involving rejection of app based on past DV complaint,not involving conviction. Appeal sided with Chief " in the interest of public safety" or some BS like that. If he is told upfront, line up a lawyer. Agreed. The CLEO told him he would deny him. The Mayor got him an appointment with the chief but if the chief denies it, he does not have to submit it to the state, does he? I would assume if the chief denies the permit, a letter would be sent to the OP and the application would never leave the local PD. If true, wait for the denial before contacting a lawyer for an appeal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites