Competitive Shooting & Gun Legislation

[Black Ops 1]

We need to be proactive in educating our legistators regarding the issue of high capacity magazines. What do you think about the following letter to assemblymen / senators /congessman?:

 

"Competitive shooting has been an Olympic sport since the inception of the modern Olympic Games in 1896. Because of its long heritage and broad appeal, the shooting sports are enjoyed by a large number of participants around the world. In recent years, however, the shooting sports have become increasingly threatened by restrictive legislation and government actions. Competition pistols typically use so-called "high-capacity" magazines holding up to 18 or 19 rounds. An arbitrarily ban on magazines holding more than 10 or 15 rounds threatens to criminalize the legitimate sport of competition shooting. I urge you to consider the impact of legislation regulating magazine capacity and consider a reasonable limit of 20 rounds."

 

Feel free to suggest other issues to include in the letter.

[tony357 386]

Good idea.

[hd2000fxdl 422]

Would be nice to see, but I hate the term "High Capacity" It's a BS term.

 

I think there may also be a precedent outside the US where USPSA/IPSC competitors were afforded additional rights over others in regards to ownership and/or possession, I think in Israel IIRC.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

There is no such thing as a "reasonable" limit. Your letter also infers that Olympic shooting sports require magazines with capacities >10, which, AFAIK, is not the case which may cause a credibility issue. I would indicate more than just Olympic shooting sports.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[KpdPipes 388]

There is no such thing as a "reasonable" limit. Your letter also infers that Olympic shooting sports require magazines with capacities >10, which, AFAIK, is not the case which may cause a credibility issue. I would indicate more than just Olympic shooting sports.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

This. USPSA/IPSC, International 3-gun, IDPA..there are a lot of Disciplines that are not "Olympic" but Do in fact have International chapters..even in nations that HAVE relatively strict controls

[Motofan 10]

Make sure you put in responsible citizen, family activity, voted in every election, tax payer, etc.... Between gun control and the constant political pressure

on off road racing in NJ. Its seems I spend all of my free time writing these asshat politicians who do nothing for its constituants except mismanage

tax revenue and pass restrictive laws due to the misdeeds of .0001 of the population.

 

Sick to my stomach of this shit.

 

When writing politicians, always be direct and professional. Send faxes, actually write and mail letters. E-Mails very easy to browse and delete.

 

Letters and faxes actually have to be handled.

[hd2000fxdl 422]

How about there is no mention of any of this crap in the 27 words I have read!!!

[Combat Auto 174]

Go for it - but show a little more passion, and some human eliment.

[Combat Auto 174]

Here is what I sent via the NRA links to all politicians:

 

I am a 50 something year-old US-Navy Veteran, and I am outraged and offended by Senator Feinstein’s unethical, immoral, and unjust, attempt to take away and diminish our 2^nd amendment rights via her 2013 Gun and Magazine Ban. I urge you to vote against this attempt at your earliest opportunity.

It was my Honor to give my Nation 4 years of my life via service in the United States Navy…This was to protect our Constitution against foreign and domestic enemies. This is one of the many reasons I am so outraged about the Feinstein attempt to degrade my right, and the right of all law abiding US citizens to keep and bear arms…I have a right to defend myself even as politicians, the rich, the famous, sports stars etc., have the right to defend themselves…This was a right given by our Founding-Farther, not anyone living today, not by Feinstein…And I am offended in her attempts to take them away.

Singling out the Gun-Community like she would like is un-American, biased, and a form of discrimination. These are not values any American should be proud of, nor support!

Every decent American is sadden by what happened in Connecticut, but Feinstein’s attempt at using this tragic event to further he political agenda is disgusting, and immoral – and will not solve anything. A more honorable approach is to protect the children with armed police or professional guards – just as our politicians, the rich, the famous are protected.

Thank you for your support and doing the correct thing in this matter by voting against the Feinstein 2013 Gun and Magazine ban.

[Shawnmoore81 623]

The ban list may wipe out cmp shoots

[PDM 91]

I can see the compromise now: "High capacity magazines may only be owned by a competitive shooter certified as such by a recognized governing body or other organization overseeing the following sporting disciplines ..... and such magazines may only be transported from the home directly to a sanction sporting event in such discipline in a triple locked case guarded by rabid wolverines."

[Combat Auto 174]

Your letter is too "limp" - you are a law abiding citizen with a very honerable character-building sport - who is Feinstein to tell you what magazine to use? Crank the letter up some. Demand your rights!

[H.M. Murdock 0]

Make sure you put in responsible citizen, family activity, voted in every election, tax payer, etc.... Between gun control and the constant political pressure

on off road racing in NJ. Its seems I spend all of my free time writing these asshat politicians who do nothing for its constituants except mismanage

tax revenue and pass restrictive laws due to the misdeeds of .0001 of the population.

 

Sick to my stomach of this shit.

 

When writing politicians, always be direct and professional. Send faxes, actually write and mail letters. E-Mails very easy to browse and delete.

 

Letters and faxes actually have to be handled.

 

Someone posted an article in another thread about how the emails, faxes and postal mail are handled, at least by the US House and Senate offices.

 

They all go into the same digital system where the aides read them. Written letters are never physically handled by the aides as they are scanned into the same digital system first. Only difference is that the postal mail takes 2-3 weeks to get into the system because of the bomb sniffing, chemical tests, etc. So posted letters may not even reach the aide until it is too late. The aide writing the article did mention that form letters are usually discarded and the system retains and provides correspondance history for each sender by name.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

too much energy being wasted on 'what if's' regarding gun control, and not enough energy being used, to like, actually, standing up for your rights......

[mipafox 438]

We need to be proactive in educating our legistators regarding the issue of high capacity magazines.  What do you think about the following letter to assemblymen / senators  /congessman?:

 

"Competitive shooting has been an Olympic sport since the inception of the modern Olympic Games in 1896.  Because of its long heritage and broad appeal, the shooting sports are enjoyed by a large number of participants around the world. In recent years, however, the shooting sports have become increasingly threatened by restrictive legislation and government actions.  Competition pistols typically use so-called "high-capacity" magazines holding up to 18 or 19 rounds.  An arbitrarily ban on magazines holding more than 10 or 15 rounds threatens to criminalize the legitimate sport of competition shooting.  I urge you to consider the impact of legislation regulating magazine capacity and consider a reasonable limit of 20 rounds."

 

Feel free to suggest other issues to include in the letter.

 

You are proposing federal magazine limits?You are worse than Feinstein. I hope your fates are entwined.

[Black Ops 1]

You are proposing federal magazine limits?You are worse than Feinstein. I hope your fates are entwined.

 

Face reality - federal magazine limits are coming. Would your rather hope for the best or try to shape the outcome?

[raz-0 1,260]

 

Face reality - federal magazine limits are coming. Would your rather hope for the best or try to shape the outcome?

 

There will be a bill. Lobbying for twenty rather than lobbying for "go die in a fire you scum" really won't do you any good.

 

You lobby for what you want.

[mipafox 438]

Face reality - federal magazine limits are coming.  Would your rather hope for the best or try to shape the outcome?

 

Face reality - you are providing aid and comfort to the Enemy. When they say, "Even gun owners agree," they are talking about YOU.

[matty 810]

Only if YOU let them! Get with it and FIGHT!

 

NOT ONE INCH, NO NEW GUN CONTROL.

 

 

Face reality - federal magazine limits are coming. Would your rather hope for the best or try to shape the outcome?

[Combat Auto 174]

I was originally for some small compromise on mag size...But after the Feinstein bill came out - I wisened up...They will not stop until they take all our weapons/sports guns, not even pistols will be left...We would be shooting muskets at USPSA, oh until some nut used a musket to kill someone, then we would be throwing rocks at the USPSA meets...

 

There are nuts driving cars killing people all the time - should we ban cars...This whole thing is BS...The Socialists want to tell you how to run your life:

 

Smoking Dope - OK - they want to legalize it.

Drinking Large Cokes - NO!

Sports Shooting - NO!

Self Defense - NO - the Nannei state will protect you!

 

Who the heck are they to tell me how to live...This is never going to end, this fight...It Burns Feinsteins ass that you enjoy shooting...

 

I was outraged and offended when I read the Feinstein bill - and I let everyone of my politicians know...I didn't give 4 years to the USNavy for Feinstein to tell me not to defend myself!

[Shawnmoore81 623]

Ok we can compromise. 1000 round belt max

[Combat Auto 174]

_{I was originally for some small compromise on mag size...But after the Feinstein bill came out - I wisened up...They will not stop until they take all our weapons/sports guns, not even pistols will be left...We would be shooting muskets at USPSA, oh until some nut used a musket to kill someone, then we would be throwing rocks at the USPSA meets...}

 

_{There are nuts driving cars killing people all the time - should we ban cars...This whole thing is BS...The Socialists want to tell you how to run your life:}

 

_{Smoking Dope - OK - they want to legalize it.}

_{Drinking Large Cokes - NO!}

_{Sports Shooting - NO!}

_{Self Defense - NO - the Nannei state will protect you!}

 

_{Who the heck are they to tell me how to live...This is never going to end, this fight...It Burns Feinsteins ass that you enjoy shooting...}

 

_{I was outraged and offended when I read the Feinstein bill - and I let everyone of my politicians know...I didn't give 4 years to the USNavy for Feinstein to tell me not to defend myself!}

_{Oh yea, one more thing - If "She" gets her way, My brother can't even leave me his 12 round berreta pistol if he goes to heaven before me...Feinstein will confiscate it! This is Commi-Crap if I ever seen it...We got to fight this for what it is and it goes well beyond the Gun debate!}

[Shawnmoore81 623]

[Maksim 1,504]

Mag limits is one of those things, that 4 years ago, I would agree with... the issue is, it is still giving up in the fight. You give them an inch,they will want a mile. Before you know it, there will be limits as to how much ammo you can buy. It serves no purpose.

 

Even if there are new mag limits, how many existing mags are there here? Besides, if a guy can make an AK from a shovel, they can certainly make mags that fit more than 10 rounds.

[mipafox 438]

Mag limits is one of those things, that 4 years ago, I would agree with... the issue is, it is still giving up in the fight.  You give them an inch,they will want a mile.  Before you know it, there will be limits as to how much ammo you can buy.  It serves no purpose.

 

Even if there are new mag limits, how many existing mags are there here?  Besides, if a guy can make an AK from a shovel, they can certainly make mags that fit more than 10 rounds.

 

Maybe, but for some reason only Metalwerks can make a 72-round Suomi Drum work in a stock M-11/9 magwell